Jita Park Speakers Corner

Hold up one second, I refuse the premise that because you're a member of a big sov holding alliance in nulsec, that you do not play/understand the highsec and lowsec game. In fact, I think that is wholely, utterly, and entirely wrong. Most members of large sov holding alliances maintain alts who mine, mission run, and plex. If they don't now, they have in the past for sure. Some of them started out as a youngn' running missions, mining and ratting for ISK. This is not some undiscovered country for them, they've had experience many of them in all aspects of the game.

Your premise is flawed, and therefore your argument invalid. Its called Logic.

Oh and if you don't like it, run for CSM 8

How about the premise that those of us on the forums really have no idea at all what the huge, non-posting non-voting majority of this game actually want.

As this already has been discussed at length in the past, I wil just summarize a couple points:

- CCP's demography stats talk about people who was online at a certain time. No matter wether they are "mains" or "alts", more than 70% of the characters are logged into hisec, and the number of characters logged into nullsec has been shrinking to under 15%. Even if everyone in hisec was an alt to nullseccers, hisec still would be 70% relevant to gameplay (we may assume that people don't log in their characters just for the sake of it).

- What is the incentive to vote for the CSM to the unaligned player? CSM only matters to the individual player if the issues they deal with matter to the players, but then, do you really think that 85% of the game ignores the CSM election because the CSM is relevant to them?

If the CSM doesn't does what interests players, players won't interest on the CSM. And we only know for sure that 85% of the players don't care to vote the CSM at all, so we end up with a representative body that represents only 15% of the player base... which is a good reason to not vote for it.

Don't care or don't know what the CSM is or think its only relevant to Null sec characters.

Hell I just had someone in GD say that the CSM is NULL sec players.

So education is needed for the masses.

This game is as much theirs as it is the forum posters or interest groups game.

The idea came up in the town meeting that during CSM elections people would have to actively Vote or abstain before logging in. I think this is a good idea if it includes a blurb about the function of the CSM, especially as it gets more important every year.

We know the current system is flawed and if they do it in such a way for instance the first page just having a blurb about the CSM and 2 big buttons for Vote or Abstain and from there the normal voting page if you click Vote, it would at least let everyone know about the CSM before they choose to ignore it.

And then we will have real stats on how many people don't care.

Anyone who votes only because it's staring them in the face on a login screen doesn't care in the first place, no matter what button they blind click. Forcing people to vote is an awful idea since it pretty much skips the whole "hey, let's maybe try to find out WHY these people wouldn't vote otherwise" thing which is apparently so important.

I already suggested that in the past; log in screen of electible voters would show a list of the candidates (randomized each log in to neutralyze the "click the one on top" bias) plus an option to be reminded later -but no "abstain" option until the last day of election.

Shoving the CSM down player's throats would force them to at least wonder what is the CSM.

Also after the election, CSM shuld be allowed to send a mass mailing to everyone who voted them, to thank them for their cooperation.This would reward those who voted upon interesting themselves on the list.

Ummmmm what?? First off, its completely false that the CSM is all null dudes. 2nd, I see zero effort on the part of the current CSM to drag more highsec people out to nullsec - please cite your sources for this. What you hear is the CSM saying 0.0 should be fixed - which is important and necessary in the long run (and I'm not even one of the dudes that lives out there.)

If you want to have influence, send the CSM a mail. Tell us what you want to see - you'd be suprised at what you hear.....

We gotta move on beyond these stereotypes - posting misleading info like this continues to jade people about the CSM, and causes many to never contact us because they think its hopeless (which only worsens your chances of getting represented). You currently have reps on the CSM that live full-time in ALL areas of space - lowsec, highsec, WH, and null. Take advantage of them.

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way to dodge the point. If those people don't like something and don't speak up I have no sympathy. Eve is a game where if you actively take a part in the universe you can influence its direction. If you don't then sit back for the ride, because the CSM will only represent the opinions presented. You can't honestly expect them to do otherwise. besides the forums really ARE a good pulse of the EVE community, they haven't lead the CSM too drastically astray yet.

The forums are a good pulse of us load mouths. Subscription numbers are a good pulse for the whole game.

That is why I would like to see ALL of EvE informed about the CSM, what it is doing, its role ect..

As well as making every account active in the voting process, even if it just means they click Abstain.

Then the CSM will truly represent the whole player base and not just those of us with mouths so big we could swallow a bus.