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Does thorax's MWD bonus make any sense to this ship?
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Mukun
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#1 - 2012-08-01 04:50:40 UTC
anyone can tell me how that bonus gives thorax any advantage in combat?
Belthazor4011
Battle BV Redux
#2 - 2012-08-01 05:22:39 UTC
Since mine has an AB none for me lol
Nicaragua
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-08-01 05:38:35 UTC
Mukun wrote:
anyone can tell me how that bonus gives thorax any advantage in combat?


It allows you to.....err....ummm.....nope, i have no idea.
Abyssum Invocat
Yet Another Tax Haven
#4 - 2012-08-01 05:52:35 UTC
More cap is always good. It does not make or break the ship though. Thankfully the hull is good enough so as to not have to rely too heavily on both bonuses.
Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2012-08-01 06:05:00 UTC
It actually raises your Maximum Capacitor when fitting a MWD. Like how Laser Cap Bonuses save you capacitor when firing lasers except this gives you extra.

I hope they change it to tracking or falloff in the upcoming balance and just boost the base cap. Most T1 Cruisers cap out quick running an MWD which after long warps, tackle and god forbid cap using weapons leaves Cruisers which have smaller capacitors in a position to be very easily neuted off.

Battlecruisers however run the same sized mods and generally not many more of them that use cap, like 1-2 extra lasers if they use anymore cap intensive mods at all. They have anywhere around twice the capacitor to play with. I would like to see Cruisers get a little bit more of what battlecruisers have with their buff.
Danny John-Peter
Blue Canary
Watch This
#6 - 2012-08-01 09:16:07 UTC
The logic behind it being that it needs to brawl to win, so an MWD cap bonus means its less likely to cap out before reaching its target, a very good bonus IMO.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2012-08-01 09:17:21 UTC
Indeed, it makes sense in terms of lore-based design on the ship. However, one has to wonder if a Velocity bonus like the Vagabond might be better...?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Alticus C Bear
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-08-01 10:40:18 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Indeed, it makes sense in terms of lore-based design on the ship. However, one has to wonder if a Velocity bonus like the Vagabond might be better...?


Thorax is a solid ship this sort of change may be overpowered.

I quite like the bonus, it can generally give you the same sort of run time as the Minmatar Cruisers despite weapons using cap, also remember it benefits your cap when the microwarpdrive is both off and on. In fact with T2 and higher meta microwarpdrives this actually increases base cap.
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#9 - 2012-08-01 11:46:41 UTC
Try fitting a high-meta MWD (especially DED) with a decent level of Gal Cruiser and then see what you think of it Blink
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#10 - 2012-08-01 12:43:48 UTC
Mukun wrote:
anyone can tell me how that bonus gives thorax any advantage in combat?


it increases your maximum capacitor like a cap battery.
Mukun
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#11 - 2012-08-01 16:06:36 UTC
Maeltstome wrote:
Mukun wrote:
anyone can tell me how that bonus gives thorax any advantage in combat?


it increases your maximum capacitor like a cap battery.


even 5 neutron blasters wont cost much capacitor comparer with laser guns, just a little bit more than an invulnerability field cost. the only limit from hybrid gun capacitor use is if you re out of cap, you cant open fire
mxzf
Shovel Bros
#12 - 2012-08-01 16:36:03 UTC
Mukun wrote:
Maeltstome wrote:
Mukun wrote:
anyone can tell me how that bonus gives thorax any advantage in combat?


it increases your maximum capacitor like a cap battery.


even 5 neutron blasters wont cost much capacitor comparer with laser guns, just a little bit more than an invulnerability field cost. the only limit from hybrid gun capacitor use is if you re out of cap, you cant open fire


I don't think you understood correctly. At high levels of Gal Cruiser, with a high-meta MWD, the cap penalty of the MWD actually turns into a cap bonus.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#13 - 2012-08-01 16:41:59 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
It actually raises your Maximum Capacitor when fitting a MWD. Like how Laser Cap Bonuses save you capacitor when firing lasers except this gives you extra.

I hope they change it to tracking or falloff in the upcoming balance and just boost the base cap. Most T1 Cruisers cap out quick running an MWD which after long warps, tackle and god forbid cap using weapons leaves Cruisers which have smaller capacitors in a position to be very easily neuted off.

Battlecruisers however run the same sized mods and generally not many more of them that use cap, like 1-2 extra lasers if they use anymore cap intensive mods at all. They have anywhere around twice the capacitor to play with. I would like to see Cruisers get a little bit more of what battlecruisers have with their buff.


A Thorax with a 10% falloff bonus would be sexy sexy times...

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#14 - 2012-08-01 18:39:46 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
It actually raises your Maximum Capacitor when fitting a MWD. Like how Laser Cap Bonuses save you capacitor when firing lasers except this gives you extra.

I hope they change it to tracking or falloff in the upcoming balance and just boost the base cap. Most T1 Cruisers cap out quick running an MWD which after long warps, tackle and god forbid cap using weapons leaves Cruisers which have smaller capacitors in a position to be very easily neuted off.

Battlecruisers however run the same sized mods and generally not many more of them that use cap, like 1-2 extra lasers if they use anymore cap intensive mods at all. They have anywhere around twice the capacitor to play with. I would like to see Cruisers get a little bit more of what battlecruisers have with their buff.


A Thorax with a 10% falloff bonus would be sexy sexy times...

-Liang

If it means the vigi and deimos get a double falloff bonus then I'm all for it :D

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#15 - 2012-08-01 18:42:16 UTC
Copine Callmeknau wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
It actually raises your Maximum Capacitor when fitting a MWD. Like how Laser Cap Bonuses save you capacitor when firing lasers except this gives you extra.

I hope they change it to tracking or falloff in the upcoming balance and just boost the base cap. Most T1 Cruisers cap out quick running an MWD which after long warps, tackle and god forbid cap using weapons leaves Cruisers which have smaller capacitors in a position to be very easily neuted off.

Battlecruisers however run the same sized mods and generally not many more of them that use cap, like 1-2 extra lasers if they use anymore cap intensive mods at all. They have anywhere around twice the capacitor to play with. I would like to see Cruisers get a little bit more of what battlecruisers have with their buff.


A Thorax with a 10% falloff bonus would be sexy sexy times...

-Liang

If it means the vigi and deimos get a double falloff bonus then I'm all for it :D


I can't even comprehend the amount of awesome that would be.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Alara IonStorm
#16 - 2012-08-01 18:44:53 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

I can't even comprehend the amount of awesome that would be.

-Liang

In Liangs dream EVE Armor doesn't exist and everything kites.

What Liang sees when she closes her eyes.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#17 - 2012-08-01 18:46:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:

I can't even comprehend the amount of awesome that would be.

-Liang

In Liangs dream EVE Armor doesn't exist and everything kites.

What Liang sees when she closes her eyes.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GfXrhlNdf9Q

Ed: I'd link Amamake Fun 4 (pure solo PVP, usually brawler) but it's not up on youtube.

Ed2: FFS, link not like. -_-

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Lost Greybeard
Drunken Yordles
#18 - 2012-08-01 19:02:52 UTC
Did not know about that change. While that's actually awesome and far more powerful overall than the -15%/lv to radius increase, I'm going to miss my bonus to "RAMMING.... SPEEEEEEED.... dun, dun, dun, dun, dun, dun".
chris elliot
Treasury Department
Plug N Play
#19 - 2012-08-02 20:04:39 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:

I can't even comprehend the amount of awesome that would be.

-Liang


That would be smexy as hell.
Je720
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-08-03 10:00:28 UTC
10% Falloff sounds a bit strong. Either or both of these would be interesting:

10% reduction in Microwarpdrive capacitor use per level (similar to Proteus)

and/or

10% reduction in the mass off any fitted plates per level.
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