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Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#41 - 2012-08-01 07:32:00 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Once CCP introduces the barge changes there will be a massive influx of cheap minerals to the market.

I for one am hoping to return to the glory days of 30m isk drakes. If only tech prices would drop too.

Your isk is about to have more buying power than you could possibly imagine.



Why?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#42 - 2012-08-01 07:32:03 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people


except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull...

ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable.

We'll still do it. In fact, plans are being worked on to increase gank volume over pre-barge-buff levels.


Bluffing

Empirical evidence says otherwise.

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Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#43 - 2012-08-01 07:33:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kryss Darkdust
Dave stark wrote:
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people


except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull...

ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable.


True but suicide ganking as an activity overall is not nearly as profitable as pretty much doing anything else. Yeah Im sure they get in the green a few million but a couple of strip miners is hardly worth all the effort that goes into suicide ganking between the sec loss, fitting ships, waiting for timers to expire... I don't see how you could make more ISK doing that than say just joining the miners.

I think thats part of the reason why miners are unphased and don't change their habits even with Hulkagedons going on. There is no reason to. Even with an occassional ship loss they are making a killing. Suicide ganking hasn't been detered by rules and mechanics changes, but suicide ganking has not detered mining either. In fact its made it so blood profitable even I got into it recently because **** it... its a gold mine right now. This whole Hulkagedon has made a lot of miners EXTREMLY rich and even with the current Hulks, with just a bit of care sucide gankers can't do **** to me.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
Destiny Corrupted
Deadly Viper Kitten Mitten Sewing Company
Senpai's Afterschool Anime and Gaming Club
#44 - 2012-08-01 07:36:07 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people


except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull...

ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable.

We'll still do it. In fact, plans are being worked on to increase gank volume over pre-barge-buff levels.


i'm glad to hear that you will.
if you carry on ganking and actually incur a loss for doing so then i have nothing to do but respect you for your dedication. however when catalysts are popping hulks like pinatas because the module drops alone will cover the cost of the concored ship, it was almost obvious another ganker "nerf" would be on it's way.

I already incur a loss. You think I bother to loot the wrecks? Well, if it's like a cluster of them, sure, and I most definitely don't expend any more resources than I have to (I might have half a trillion, but that doesn't mean I'm going to use Machariels to pop barges). Really, we don't gank for profit. Profit might be an incentive, but it's not the main draw.

But yeah, I agree with that last statement. This isn't the first nerf to ganking, and it definitely won't be the last.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#45 - 2012-08-01 07:39:22 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
AdmiralJohn wrote:
I guarantee that along with the influx of minerals will be an influx of mad miners complaining about their precious ISK/hr, and all will be as it should be.



Strangely enough Trit price just drop from 10 to 6.5 isk/un and new mining barges aren't even there.

Imho trading and market manipulations need a huge nerf bat, not mining or mining barges. Keep dumping your stuff and try to make some profit out of it.


where are you buying your trit? over the last week or so it's gone from 7-6.5 in jita


About a good month ago I was selling some stuff around 10 isk/un and those sell orders were gone before I could put another one, at 6.5isk/un I'm just stocking again to build stuff.
And no I'm not selling in Jita, it's only good for market bots/traders/scam and all the fakes alike.

brb
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#46 - 2012-08-01 07:41:23 UTC
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Destiny Corrupted wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Kryss Darkdust wrote:
commitment to losing ISK for the sake of ******* with people


except that's why the barges are getting an ehp buff, because most of the time the suicide ganks weren't making a loss. when you consider 1 t2 strip miner alone is more than a catalyst hull...

ccp don't want suicide ganking to be profitable.

We'll still do it. In fact, plans are being worked on to increase gank volume over pre-barge-buff levels.


Bluffing

Empirical evidence says otherwise.


Well good luck, of course you don't need luck apperently

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Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#47 - 2012-08-01 07:57:13 UTC
Market Discussion forum is that way ----->
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-08-01 08:25:28 UTC
Grandpa Bill wrote:
Look into the real world diamond market and see how many companies are holding Diamonds from the public to drive the demand up. I remember hearing that if they put all the diamonds they were holding on the market, the diamond market would crash because they are no where near as rare as a lot of people believe they are.


80% of the annual diamond production are synthetic diamonds, primarily synthesized for industrial use.

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Seleia O'Sinnor
Drop of Honey
#49 - 2012-08-01 08:30:40 UTC
I hope for candy bars!

Odyssey: Repacking in POS hangars for modules +1,  but please for other stuff too, especially containers. Make containers openable in POS hangars.
Kryss Darkdust
The Skulls
#50 - 2012-08-01 08:40:07 UTC
Resource prices in Eve are impacted far more by subscriber numbers and amount of people playing than they are by anything that actually happens in game or anything people do in game. Right now there is roughly 10-20k less people playing on a daily basis than there where a year or two ago. This has far more to do with the failures of WIS and the fiasco's surrounding it than it has to do with Hulkagedons and anything Goons are doing. I mean I'm sure they had their impact, but globaly there are less players and less players means less supply of resources because their are less people mining as well as less demand.

Changing the barges is not going to have as much of an impact in my opinion because we aren't suddenly going to regain 10-20k players on a daily basis as a result of it. Sure some of the people that mined in Hulks that stopped during the Hulkagedon might start mining but I honestly don't think Hulkagedons impact on the game has been as big part of the formula of the economy as people give it credit for.

The people that mine, continued to mine despite hulkagedon IF they continued to play at all and those that didn't mine still don't mine. Suicide ganking hasn't impacted this aspect of the game, the dropping subscriber numbers has. In particular when you consider that your average player and in particular miners tend to run multiple accounts while mining so for each mining player that quit you probobly lost 2 or more accounts on average (2 or more physical miners in the game world).

I'm not saying that is all there is to it, but if you compare subscriber number averages to shifting resource prices you'll always find a match.

The reality of Eve is that, if you don't love it like it is today, you should probobly go ahead and unsub. 
Marconus Orion
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#51 - 2012-08-01 08:42:27 UTC
And Falcons will still make me rage...
Virgil Travis
Non Constructive Self Management
#52 - 2012-08-01 08:50:46 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Torvin Yulus wrote:


BECAUSE IT WILL BE A LEGITMATE COMPALINT!

CCP is going to nerf the miener income because tthey don't like miners very much. mission runner isk per our is never affected by mineral prices but why is miners?

anbd people tell me that I am contributing to the problem by mining too much and that yield buffs will not make me more money well THAT IS WRONG. Increasing mining yield will get me more money because I bring in more minerals per hour!


I just suffered a sarcasm overload reading that.


Based on his other posts I don't think that is sarcasm.


Oh it is, very much so

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Hypercake Mix
#53 - 2012-08-01 09:15:00 UTC
Better than nothing happening at all. Wouldn't want things to get boring.
Colonel Xaven
Perkone
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-08-01 09:37:12 UTC
Looks like a success of Hulkageddon.

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Tobiaz
Spacerats
#55 - 2012-08-01 10:18:51 UTC
One of the best things of EVE is the harsh consequences of dieing. Cheap minerals mean cheap ships, means less harsh consequences, means EVE suffers. If you can't afford losing a ton of Drakes all day... then don't.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#56 - 2012-08-01 10:26:31 UTC
Market manipulation V3.1

Title: forum propaganda

Lol

brb
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#57 - 2012-08-01 10:28:18 UTC
The artifically low mineral prices of the 2009-2011 era were mostly driven down by minerals from the drone regions and hordes of mining bots. Plus quite a lot of minerals from loot reprocessing. Drone loot isn't coming back. T1 loot drops aren't coming back. And right now it's not a great time to be a miner bot; even the new Skiffs won't tank the SreegHammer™.

The new mining barges might make mining in hi-sec a little safer if hi-sec miners switch over to the Procurer/Skiff, but I rather suspect that a majority of them will keep right on Hulking, at least until that Hulk they already own gets popped. Who wants to spend ISK to make less ISK? I'd be prepared to bet that a majority of hi-sec miners aren't even aware that the other exhumers are changing so radically.

In short: things won't change all that much. Minerals might fall a little, but not by very much. Assuming that you can tolerate the essentially boring process of mining, it's a great time to be a miner.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#58 - 2012-08-01 10:29:17 UTC
Oh and there'll still be plenty of chumps in untanked Hulks for a while yet...

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#59 - 2012-08-01 10:32:46 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Oh and there'll still be plenty of chumps in untanked Hulks for a while yet...


I'm going with forever.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-08-01 10:35:46 UTC
Tobiaz wrote:
One of the best things of EVE is the harsh consequences of dieing. Cheap minerals mean cheap ships, means less harsh consequences, means EVE suffers. If you can't afford losing a ton of Drakes all day... then don't.



If you feel you don't have enough downsides or penalties playing with pixels I can give you a couple ideas like hammer hit your foot fingers rl, hit your back on the window corner or slap your own head with the toilet door.

It's funny to read so many tears about these mining barges changes, crocodile tears and tràlàlà.

brb