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Agony Etain
Black Thorn Elites of EVE
#41 - 2012-08-11 21:08:07 UTC
FireT wrote:
I know I might get banned, but I have to say it: you are an idiot. You want what you want because its your wish / idea. You obviously are a genius, so what ever anyone else says must be ignorance and lies. That is how you come over.


All I'm asking for is for you to give me facts, reasons, and support your claims of why it wont work. You've yet to do that. Its a simple intelligence expectation to a possible solution. Give reasonable, intelligent reasons of why you think. I'll give intelligent reasonable reasons ofwhy your counter works or doesnt work.

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Your commentary to number 1 essentially proves this: How do you enforce 'No-Dual-boxing'? People already do it constantly. How would you make it a '1 per person' account? If they do not have to pay for it, the only thing they would really need is a simple to attain and create as many as there are water molecules on this planet. So how would you enforce 'one per person'?
By the honor system? Scout honor? Pinky swear honor?


Just takes a little thinking. here's my Idea, please feel free to give a reasonable and intelligent response, which I feel at this moment you are incapable of doing until you prove otherwise.

People can dual box now because they are allowed too, other games you cannot. So how to get around this? Server notifies the client that its a Limited Account, Person in question attempts to sign into EVE again, with another limited account, server picks it up that its the same IP, and a duplicate Limited Account, Server tells the Client to shut it down, with a message" Sorry you can only have 1 Limited account active at once" ...... Not to hard is it?


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Also, you ignored that part and raged merrily: basic math shows that you can already race to a battleship in the trial period. Obviously you would only end up with basic guns and armor, but that is essentially what you want.
What we differ about is that you want those accounts to be accessible indefinitely. And I am with CCP: Why should we cover their tab?

The other points are essentially the same: how do you prevent dual boxing if botters are already existing?


I explained about the botters/dual boxing, but you finally give a good point about the Battleship. Essentially if you look at my Original post you'll see that there are limitations on Limited Accounts. YOu seem to be under the Illusion that they get everything for free, which they dont. The limitations I applied are there for specific reasons. It will make Limited Accounts doable, but also make most players want to get more out of it, and unlock everything.

Also I've seen arguments "oh but I can already get PLEX's, etc. etc." Good for you, but I dont see why this applies to this Limited Account.


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And lastly, what you seem to ignore, most MMOs that turn into free-2-play effectively admit free-2-fail. Why would any successful MMO go from a paid subscription design except when admitting the subscriber base fell drastically. Most turn their subscriptions into F2P because they are trying to retain some dignity / credibility. Noone in the MMO industry wants to admit they just wasted millions and years designing an MMO that is not profitable.


I've explained this 2 times to you already, not counting the fact its explained in the original post. your shooting more birdshot into a dark room hoping you hit something


/sigh Again you dont use facts. or think. I'm done commenting on this thread in general, to many people QQing, or giving hollow reasons of why it wont work, with little to no intelligence behind the comments besides some more QQing and blind hate against F2P, which this is not.

You also pointed out its my idea and learn that this would ruin CCP. I've shown it would do the opposite, you've failed to shown in anyway other than accusations with no proof that it would ruin CCP and EVE.

I've given facts of why it'd help with, with situations, and examples. You have not. This is why I am sticking to my idea, because you've failed to give any good evidence, argument, or counters to my ideas, other than accusations with ground to stand on, no examples behind your reasoning's, and no form to your reasoning's either.

As I said I'm done with this thread as nobody has given any intelligent counters other than grasping at straws or blind QQing, So I'll part with these words..

Form your thoughts correctly when attempting to counter what you feel isnt right. by Following these steps.

1) Say if you Agree or Disagree

2) Give reasons of why what person A said wouldnt work

3) follow up with examples

4) conclude with a counter idea, or dismiss the idea all together as it simply wont work, and why

I'll even give an example: This response is a no go - Your commentary to number 1 essentially proves this: How do you enforce 'No-Dual-boxing'? People already do it constantly. How would you make it a '1 per person' account? If they do not have to pay for it, the only thing they would really need is a simple to attain and create as many as there are water molecules on this planet. So how would you enforce 'one per person'?
By the honor system? Scout honor? Pinky swear honor-

you do #1, but fail to go even into number 2. This is how ALL your comments are chief. You say you disagree, and blow smoke the rest of the way.

You tell me why its not possible, Is it? isnt it? you think its not? I gave an example of how it is, Do you find a problem with my idea? Give your reasons of why my idea of how to stop Limited Account dual boxing wouldnt work. If you can do that, I'll happily accept it.

You gave no examples either, and you didnt even conclude with a counter idea, though you did dismiss my idea all together from the very start.





Sigras
Conglomo
#42 - 2012-08-12 00:32:27 UTC
the main problem with this idea are the passive income sources in Eve.

Right now I have a trading character, several actually, and all they do is sit in different regions and make buy and sell orders. This nets me billions, and doesnt require skill training at all. What about PI? what about datacores? none of these would ever require you to dual/multi box and all of them make a fair amount of isk.

What about cyno alts? youre telling me for the low low price of one plex each and a KVM switch I could have a limitless number of cyno alts? (IP spoofing is easy) What about cloaky intel spies?

The other problem is that this idea fixes a non existant problem. You believe Eve is stagnant, do you have any imperical evidence to that end? because the last chart I saw, Eve had a growing subscriber base and one of the best most active communities of any MMO in existance.
Loius Woo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2012-08-12 02:15:23 UTC
This idea is bad.

There is no need for it, and the restrictions you place on it seem arbitrary and stupid, like no multi boxing....thats dumb.

If you want to play in New Eden without paying for it, go play DUST...its F2P
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