EVE General Discussion

Course not, i'm just saying for New (and poor players) to have any fun/success at PVP they need an army of friends.

umad?

Did you even read her post?

Eve is a rude place.

Twerp. ;p





I'm not going to disagree in general, but I'm also not going to say everyone is in one extreme or the other. The question is still the same: if you aren't normally the one to pick a fight, when do the potential rewards become too much for you to resist? Maybe not enough people pvp in this game because there weren't enough early rewards to lure them in.




No. I know there's a range. But I also know there is some overlap and for the purposes of this question, the pvp carebears can be ignored. And equal and opposite question would be when would the rewards of PvE be so great that someone who normally PvPs only would be tempted to stop for a while to PvE?

I like your last part so how about this question:

When are the rewards enough, and I'll expand this to non-isk rewards as well such as social activities, that someone would be willing to change their attitude towards PvP to a more favorable view? Favorable enough to just stab someone else in the face out of the blue (in game of course).

Only the dead are without fear.

No...I just don't care enough to play the game people say I should play. I do my thing, on my time, in my way. Nobody else even matters to me.

I didn't answer your OP because you were specifically asking non-pvp types, but I'll try to answer this question.

First and foremost, the answer depends on whether there's any risk involved. A person might pass on the opportunity to make a billion even when he's only required to place a million on the line. The second most important factor is fear of retribution. A person might not do something bad if he thought that he will get caught, and possibly punished later.

If I had to predict the overall trend from a normalized data set, I think that, from personal experience...Well, actually, I don't think I can objectively answer this question, since I don't have that data. I really don't think it's an instant transition form never shooting anyone to suddenly popping a guy for a few billion in loot for the grand majority of people. Also, people have different moralities. For example, while I'd have no qualms about popping a random badger with 300 million worth of stuff inside, I'd never pop a friend or a member of any of my corporations, no matter how much officer crap they have on their ships (unless it's a specific infiltration job).

There are a lot of people who will never shoot anyone at all, no matter the reward, because violencing someone else in a video game is basically the devil to them. Then there are people who would pick your bones clean for less than a million.

You don't need to defend your play style to anyone, dude. You're welcome to play the game any way you wish. The only thing we ask for is that when unwanted violence does find you (I mean that as a general "you," not specifically you), that you accept it as part of the game instead of immediately whining and complaining to the developers to provide absolute safety for your activities. If you accept EVE for what it is, and don't try to change its core concepts to suit your needs, which can be met by any number of other MMOs on the market, we will never ever have a problem with you, even if you never fits guns on any of your ships.

Thank you for posting some great points throughout this topic Destiny. I've always wanted to play the pacifist in a war torn world in an MMO. In other MMOs where you primarily get your experience by killing this isn't an option. At the very least your cleric needs to be part of a monster killing party. I was always that cleric who would randomly buff and heal players as they ran past me.

This is one of the biggest things that appeals to me in EVE. Also the fact that anyone can attack anyone only helps solidify my pacifistic intentions. Anyone can walk around a village without a gun, but to walk around a DMZ without one is so much more intense.

Well, you can be the guy who flies the logistics in every battle, but that doesn't mean you're not part of the fight. By repairing a guy who is fighting someone else, you're still enabling violence.

Also, while it's possible in theory to play this game without ever fitting a gun, it's much more difficult in practice. You'll realize this the first time you pass an officer spawn on a gate in an unarmed covert ops, instead of something with firepower. True story circa 2005 or so, by the way.