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Why is probing impossible!?!?!?
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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-31 17:35:13 UTC
So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer. So pissed off right now.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#2 - 2012-07-31 17:44:16 UTC
Check your filters.
Hestia Mar
Calmaretto
#3 - 2012-07-31 17:44:55 UTC
Google is your friend - plenty of guides out there, and videos on youtube...IIRC a red circle means only two probes have picked the site up, double red dots with the same Sig No means three have picked the site up.

Try using 5 probes, and get the right skills - Astrometrics to at least 4, and the other Astrometric skills to at least 3, and use a ship that has a bones to probing.

Good luck, it takes a bit of practice.
Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-07-31 17:47:45 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer. So pissed off right now.


It's not impossible, I, and I am sure many others, probe every day, successfully I might add.

... Is it my mind that is in the gutter or did that sound a little dirty... Oops

Anyway, check your filters, train your skills, yadda, yadda, yadda ... really it sounds as if you need to train a little better or add rigs/switch to a scanning ship, or even just use more probes.
Velarra
#5 - 2012-07-31 17:55:41 UTC
I'd go a step further and suggest Astrometrics V and supports at IV across the board. Traditionally i'm a bit shy about recommending Faction gear when the issue is lack of skills. - but in the instance of probing, i'll strongly suggest looking at Sisters' Probes & Launchers. Likewise Scanning rigs & using the T1 probing ship of your given racial frigate. At your earliest possible opportunity you likewise want to get into a T2 Covert Ops Scanning Frigate.

Here's a guide too:

http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Apocrypha_probing
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-07-31 18:16:35 UTC
Thanks guys, just needed to vent. I've read some guides and it looks like I'm very under-skilled. I just wanted to see what exploration was like but I guess I need to invest more in astro skills (Astrometrics is only at I, all other exploration support skills at 0).
Rakael Kateloda
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2012-07-31 18:38:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Rakael Kateloda
Oh yeah you're definitely underskilled. I'm a newbie myself at it, and with lvl 1 I couldn't find anything except wormholes. I brought astrometrics up to 3 along with a few supportive skills and bought the Sister's gear as recommended above, and what a difference! It still takes me about 15-20 to scan down a mag or grav site at times - I find them to be the hardest, but right now I can scan down pretty much everything and I love it so far! So definitely bring your skills up to par, get the Sister's probes and scanner and give it another shot. It's fun!
Zicon Shak'ra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2012-07-31 18:39:24 UTC
6 probes + skills at III minimum + covops + scanning rigs + sisters launcher + sisters probes = easy probing forever. Big smile

Wormholes are cool, m'kay?
stoicfaux
#9 - 2012-07-31 18:39:51 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
Check your filters.

^^ This. It annoyed me greatly once I finally realized that the results were "disappearing" once I had narrowed the signals down enough to be classified, and thus filtered out by the default filter setting.

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Ginger Barbarella
#10 - 2012-07-31 18:40:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Barbarella
Watch the video tutorials, and PAY ATTENTION. Glossing over it with a "ok, I get it" attitude will result in you missing everything and your probes going all wonky. Learn how to do it correctly and it's cake. Also, I tend to recommend to friends that ask me about it the following:
1) Get all Astrometrics skills to L4
2) Get a ship with scanning bonuses (T1 or T2, if you can fly T2)
3) Fit a Grav Cap rig
4) Get Sisters Launcher/Probes (Core)

But learn how to do it first. You can easily learn in a T1 frig with all basic T1 stuff and minimal skills that are GIVEN TO YOU by the tutorial agent. If you're at that point feel free to give me a shout when I'm in-game and I'll help you out.

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#11 - 2012-07-31 18:54:11 UTC
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer.


Some people recommended checking your filters. I'll explain:

By default, the filters are set _not_ to show any exploration site (radar/mag/etc). However, they do show unidentified sites. So, when you start probing a site down, it'll be unidentified at first and show up in the results list. As soon as you get a good enough hit to identify the type of the site, however, the filters will remove it from the results list.

A big thanks for this practical, logical, convenient default filter setting to CCP.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#12 - 2012-07-31 19:05:52 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer.


Some people recommended checking your filters. I'll explain:

By default, the filters are set _not_ to show any exploration site (radar/mag/etc). However, they do show unidentified sites. So, when you start probing a site down, it'll be unidentified at first and show up in the results list. As soon as you get a good enough hit to identify the type of the site, however, the filters will remove it from the results list.

A big thanks for this practical, logical, convenient default filter setting to CCP.


This. Having a red dot bounce all over the place and sometimes split in two or become a circle or all of that annoying crap is a sign of low skills. Having a red dot disappear suddenly when you focus probes is almost surely a sign that CCP's default filters have claimed another victim.
Zicon Shak'ra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-07-31 19:19:23 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
Kaivar Lancer wrote:
So I spent the last freaken hour trying to learn how to probe. Once I get a red dot or circle, I move my probes in closer and rescan, and the ******* thing disappears, moves or clones itself so I have two dots to scan down. I can understand if it moves, but how the **** does it disappear when I move my probes closer.


Some people recommended checking your filters. I'll explain:

By default, the filters are set _not_ to show any exploration site (radar/mag/etc). However, they do show unidentified sites. So, when you start probing a site down, it'll be unidentified at first and show up in the results list. As soon as you get a good enough hit to identify the type of the site, however, the filters will remove it from the results list.

A big thanks for this practical, logical, convenient default filter setting to CCP.


Didn't know this myself. Must've implemented it after I started playing. Anyhow, give this man a medal. Or, you can just have my space-forum-likes.

Wormholes are cool, m'kay?
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#14 - 2012-07-31 19:37:46 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
This. Having a red dot bounce all over the place and sometimes split in two or become a circle or all of that annoying crap is a sign of low skills. Having a red dot disappear suddenly when you focus probes is almost surely a sign that CCP's default filters have claimed another victim.


This default filter setting is ticking me off. Maybe it's because I work in an industry where software problems like "The user interface is misleading!" don't lead to mad forum posts, but to very unpleasant attention from government agencies, and problems like "The user interface is deliberately misleading!" is grounds for class-action lawsuits.

*sigh*

I guess the computer games industry is a bit more lenient here, but it comes with other drawbacks.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#15 - 2012-07-31 20:31:30 UTC
Exploited Engineer wrote:
This default filter setting is ticking me off. Maybe it's because I work in an industry where software problems like "The user interface is misleading!" don't lead to mad forum posts, but to very unpleasant attention from government agencies, and problems like "The user interface is deliberately misleading!" is grounds for class-action lawsuits.


Agreed on all counts; if this were critical functionality in the real world I'd start looking for lost revenues and any sign of negligent cause and get on this thing. It's rather annoying that this one gets lumped in to the standard forum response of "why didn't you just search for your answer?" when it's actually clearly broken and agitating until CCP finally fixes it is more appropriate for a change.
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#16 - 2012-07-31 20:45:42 UTC
Zhilia Mann wrote:
Agreed on all counts; if this were critical functionality in the real world I'd start looking for lost revenues and any sign of negligent cause and get on this thing.


It would be a reason to stick the programmer/engineer responsible for this with a CAPA. CAPAs are great fun for everyone who isn't directly involved. Big smile
Katalci
Kismesis
#17 - 2012-08-01 03:44:38 UTC
In the time it took you to post your whine, you could have been practicing.
Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-08-01 04:10:12 UTC
I finally scanned something down to 100%, my very first mag site. Lol
Exploited Engineer
Creatively Applied Violence Inc.
#19 - 2012-08-01 06:39:58 UTC
Katalci wrote:
In the time it took you to post your whine, you could have been practicing.


Practicing doesn't help if you don't know that by default, the filter removes identified mag/rad/lad sites from your results list.
Sir Livingston
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-08-01 14:29:42 UTC
Why does one let themselves build up frustration to the point where they rage post on a video game forum?

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