Skill Discussions

I was thinking the other day (what, thinking? are you still alive?) at the idea that I might waste 30 days on training for a ship that I might end up not liking. An a got an idea, what if for a fee, let's say a PLEX, you can roll back 30 days worth of skill, so I pay a PLEX and unlearn all the skills in the last 30 days, but I get the skill-points to spend on other shills. Example: I train for a hound and I don't like it, not my style to stay stealthy and do nothing, now I just wastwd time getting into something I end up not liking, so I rollback skills and get T2 guns on a tornado for example and I like the better dps on my tornado than the stealthy advantage of a hound. Think about it, people have more reasons to buy more PLEX thus you, the CCP ends up making more money.

People that have more money in real life already have an advantage to everything. Want a pvp scenario ? He can afford to buy and fly an offgrid booster alt. He can also aford to plex himself a tengu instead of a drake. Or a market char or a indy. There is a saying at my country that if i translate it it will go like "Money always tend to go to money" meaning that the person that already got some has more opportunities to make em even more. That also apply to eve .

As for ccp i see it gaining more money. The plex movement will go up people will buy for real money and from market with isk Both game user categories will take em out of the game by using em so in the end you will have even more subs or plex for isk that will be bought cause they will be value for more

I dont see this as a bad idea but it need a lot of work to make it viable . Old users that have made the mistakes will also have the experience from it and will benefit also same as new players

EVE has always been about making choices and living with the consequences. You want to spend a month training on something? Then do it. You don't like it afterwards? Tough cookies. CCP's only ever refunded SP when they've decided to take skills out of the game. They don't allow 'respecs' or do-overs. I, for one, like that. The notion that someone could spend a month training down a path only to pay a few $$ to undo it, to me, is a bit cheap.

Likewise, something like this would do nothing for the older playerbase. A window of 30-days? Most of the old skills I 'don't like or need' are well outside of that. What I train up now is exactly what I know I want/need.

So, to summarize:
System gives edge to younger players
System gives edge to people with more RL cash
System rewards, or undoes, poor choices because "reset" buttons are cool in EVE.


Consensus: Do not like.

Out of fear of being elitist...

I've been working on getting where I'm at since 2005. Why should someone who joined in 2012 be brought up to my level without having to go through that same investment cycle? CCP already gave them Neural remaps to streamline training, something that was unavailable for most of my own.

The idea is that I am a new player and I am afraid to get into any serious ship because I might not like it, is there a way to test a ship before getting into it?

Here is how the exploits would work:

You would train a character up to 30 million SP or so. Then you would be able to focus your SP into almost any ship in the game. A corp effort could create a perfect skilled Logi/Zealot fleet, Logi/Tornado fleet, etc. A group of 18 month old toons could effectivly be more elite than a group of 6 year old toons. Imagine how frustrating that would be for the long time subscriber.

You would stop training a main at 30 million and start training a second alt on the same account. The market would soon be flooded with alts for sale. The value of a 5 year old account would be worthless, or at best, same as a 2 year old account.

At some point you could buy a character cheaper than if you payed for a subscription. Multiple subscriptions would decline. People with 4 accounts would only need 2 accounts.

NO

It's called evolution. All things change, I've been playing since 2003 and I don't care if someone new is able to compete with me in a shorter amount of time. I guess we all have our own opinions...

OH! I was wondering when this absolutely ******* ******** idea was going to be reposted. Its been a good 3 days.

Eve is a game of consequences. You train something you end up not using? tough. Chances are it'll still find a use. Lets say for example, your a Gallente pilot, and you decide one day that Drake looks pretty good. You train up into it and then find you hate it. Wasted all that time on shield, caldari ship and missile skills? No. What you infact have is a very easy cross train in Minmatar, and being able to make the most of their ships. You also have access to the Worm, Gila and Rattlesnake. But wait! there is MOAR. You also have more options within the ships you fly. Shield Gank Brutix/Talos, Passive Myrm for PvE.

Even if you do it at T2 level you'll still find a use. Lets take assault ships. Engineering and Mech 5. two essential fitting skills. while Gallente frigate 5 gives you more bang for your faction ship buck, with full Comet hybrid damage and with the current Incursus stats, it makes it a beast, the jump from 4 to 5 is huge. Again no waste.

What the real point is, you folks don't have the patience to train up **** and just want to jump into a ship at a drop of a hat, the level of abuse such a thing would create would be unbarable. Perfect fleet comps with skills, sudden switching to industry skills for mining ops. All that.

And whats this bull **** that new players can't compete or catch up? Lies and Slander, and wit the frigate rebalancing this is going to become even futher from the truth. Cheap tackle, more dps, more ECM, another body. Even as low as 300k sp a newbie has a use. Solo of course they'll do shite, but in a fleet, with the right attitude those lil guys will shine.

If only life would allow for role back. How many ex boyfriends / girlfriends would be removed from memory.