EVE General Discussion

how am i? i simply want my hulk to be able to hold the same amount of crystals as every other ship that uses 3 strip miners.

I suppose they should make Amarr ship cargo holds 25m3. It creates new logistics fun too.

I don't even need 7k missiles to do a L4 in a Drake.
I need about 200 - 300 projectiles in an arty Maelstrom, that is about 2 reloads.

and how many times do you have to warp back to the station to reload mid-mission?
because looking at the subsystems a tengu should have np fitting 7k missiles in it's cargo.

Because it makes playing the game harder and removes functionality.

Not really, no. It doesn't add any task managing — it just makes the same tasks slower. It doesn't impose any menial tasks — it just makes the same tasks slower. It doesn't force any kind of discipline. It doesn't give you anything to do while dock that you weren't doing already — it just makes it slower.

Above all, it's a UI, not gameplay.

You can do that without mining, you know. The basic point remains: if it's not fun, don't do it. Unless you enjoy doing boring things, the enjoyment you're getting is not from what you're doing but from something completely different and separate. So just cut out the un-fun part and keep the enjoyment — you could probably even combine it with something you do think is fun.

Ammo most certainly becomes an issue for mission runners if they try to run them for hours on end. Fortunately, they have this built-in requirement to go back to station and refit/rearm every now and then, which means that the additional ammo needs take no additional time. This holds true for miners as well, which is why it shouldn't add any work for them if they just thought about what they're doing a bit… which will undoubtedly be a shock and confusing new experience.

Not really, no. You just have to plan your work a bit better.

Didn't the covetor and the hulk have the same cargo hold size? Or is there some other ship I'm missing here?

His imaginary superhulk.

Ungankable, infinite cargo hold, and a device that magically gets him high mineral prices despite flooding the market.

lol, you crazy kids these days.

I must be a nobody, and not a miner



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…except that no extra work is required if you plan ahead. You still have to warp back to station to deliver the ore. Make use of the time in the belt to plan what you're going after next; make use of the pit-stop to bring what you need. End result: planning → no additional work, same reward.

It's not particularly strange. It's a fleet ship — the support ships in the fleet are meant to carry the crystals. If you obstinately refuse to use it for its purpose and try to use it as a solo ship, then that's almost entirely your problem.

…except that the complaint about crystals and Hulks isn't a matter of UI, but of trying to use a fleet ship solo and/or not leveraging the benefits of being in a fleet.

…and as luck would have it, arty Maels aren't the most efficient ships for running missions. So you could compare that to the lower-yield (but less ammo-requiring) Mack. Oh, and you're in a fleet, so congratulations: the whole issue is resolved anyway by bringing the in-space pilot the stuff (s)he needs from a station through the use of alts or fleet members.

Compare this to using, say, solo Tengus or Machs or Nightmares, which need to restock on missiles, AC ammo and booster charges with some frequency, which they do as they dock up to deliver and pick up new missions. This enforced pit-stop removes any time that would otherwise be wasted on just having to get the ammo. Same goes for the solo Hulk: when he goes back to dump the ore, he can pick up new crystals for what he intends to do next.