EVE General Discussion

CCP troll, best troll.

I would like to be able to carry every drone that I can field on a Domi as I shouldnt have to pick and chose what dmg type ahead of time. I demand that CCP fix this ASAP.

What I post a counter point that everyone needs to make choices and because it densest work with what you want you quickly dismiss it. Eve is about choices live with it.

Actually the drone bay on the domi is larger than the cargohold of the hulk on sisi.

Jetcans fix that "problem". If you want the convenience of full use of the CORP Hangar, get everyone in the same corp.

Each Hulk can hold enough Crystals to cover half of the valuable HS rocks. If you're fielding 5-8 ships, have half of them run 3 of the ores, and half run the other 3.

For missions, the proportions of crystals to bring is listed in the mission report, which usually lists the exact mineral composition of the belt. 30s of planning ahead, and you never have to reload crystals.

really? where is this mystical crystal that mines every ore equally? because the duration isn't, nor has it ever been, the issue.

the hulk doesn't really gain anything in a fleet; a fleet of 5 macks will outmine 4 hulks with hauler support. also, yes you need that 5th person in a hauler. a hulk can fill a jetcan in just over 10 mins if you've got orca bonuses [pilots putting orcas in a pos with a fleet finder advert up and going to work/leave the house/whatever is awesome] so you're going to be hauling a jetcan every 150 seconds? the hauler will be constantly warping to and fro unless you've got an orca so it can scoop several cans at once, and even so it won't have much time to swap back to a hulk to contribute to the mining.

unless you want to paint a huge target on yourself by putting a lot of high value ships in a very small space you're just better off mining in mackinaws. the difference in yield and pointless logistical additions do not really make the hulk a very convincing fleet miner either. not to mention the mackinaw is a better candidate to haul for a mining op than a t1 industrial because the only ship that can attempt to rival the mack's cargo space for ore is the itty v, and that has to sacrifice all it's lows and rigs to do so.

mine directly in to the orca and stop thinking every one's orca is afk in a pos!
sure.
for high sec that might be fine putting 5 hulks on top of an orca and eating a belt. however putting an orca in a grav site in 0.0 isn't a good idea. so sure, when orcas become invulnerable or high sec is the only place with ore i'll concede that the hulk is the best choice for fleet mining. however high sec isn't the only place to op, and having an orca anywhere but a pos in 0.0 is irresponsible at best, and sheer stupidity at worse.

simply put; the hulk doesn't gain any thing for being in a fleet and other ships outshine it when fleets are small in order to avoid putting a few bn isk worth of [rather vulnerable] ships on the same grid, or when the mining operation is split over several belts in order to avoid crossing lasers, or running out of asteroids too quickly etc.

i don't envy ccp having to try and balance things, it's not an easy balancing act by any means.

i also appreciate that this isn't exactly to do with crystals, however the crystal situation certainly does not work in the hulk's favour.

gotta admit, that's actually a reasonable hypothesis.

because you have a mercoxit addiction? i still think the demand for macks is going to be far greater than the demand for skiffs.
procurers on the other hand... i have a feeling every one and their dog will try their hand at procurer cyno bait.

I'm gonna pick this to address because it's easy.

Null Grav Sites are well mapped out and miners plan their attack, knowing exactly which roids their going to mine from which warpin points. It would be trivial to add "anchor a GSC at each warpin" to the list of preparatory work for attacking a hidden belt.
Or, they can put an Orca in the grav site, give it an MWD and it will get into warp faster than the Hulks, and with that ~10s align time, it's hauling runs will go that much quicker, more than compensating for the reduction in hauling capacity.


Simply Put: The Hulk is able to use it's yield bonus effectively only when it is in fleets large enough to use its yield bonus effectively. The only difference is that the newly viable Mackinaw has pushed the changeover from 2 Hulks + Orca > 3 Hulks, to... wait, 2 Hulks + Orca is almost certainly better than 3 Mackinaws. It is. It's higher yield, bigger cargo capacity (~90k for Macks, 110k for 2 Hulks + Orca).