EVE General Discussion

If they don't care then it makes no difference how much the mechanic changes as they would be doing it anyways. It doesn't change the fact that what they are doing is against the EULA and carries consequences if caught. If more effort, in such minimal quantities, is considered by some to necessitate botting then I think those to be the players we can afford to lose.

considering based on the yield differences you're going to to need some thing like 6 or so miners before it's worth having a dedicated hauler over a set of mackinaws.

the size of the fleet shouldn't depend upon how useful a hulk is. if there is a fleet it should be better regardless of the size of the fleet.

Whoa, way too many people aren't getting these changes. First, stop thinking of the Hulk as the top dog. Start thinking of the Skiff as the top dog. Or the Mackinaw as the top dog. Or maybe the Hulk as still the top dog. Prioritize what you want when mining: Are you there on your own or with a small fleet that is not supported by an Orca or haulers? Then go with Macks. Are you in a dangerous area? Lots of ganks around where you are? Or strong rats? Use a Skiff. Have a good fleet with various roles being filled? Then use Hulks.

I have done mining in high sec, both solo and fleet ops which means that for solo mining, I can't even start to thank CCP enough for the Mack. Even if it gets a somewhat less than a Hulk, I will save time by not having to shuttle back and forth so often or to risk jet can mining. When doing fleet ops, I remember being bored as hell when I was a hauler since I spent a lot of time waiting. Running crystals back and forth would've at least kept me occupied and feeling a bit more useful.

Having done mining in unknown space (WH space for all you high-sec players), I could've definitely have used a Skiff a few times as my sloppiness cost me a few barges and a Hulk too I think(been a long time since I was ganked so I don't remember for sure). These new designs fulfill roles. Just remember that if you can't get everything with the Hulk, it is because CCP screwed the pooch when they first created the barges and exhumers and this is the long awaited and well-done balance that is needed. For those that cry for carrying so damn many crystals, I can only assume it is because you are mining 24/7. I have worked asteroid fields with ALL the ore types and in a couple of hours have only needed 2 or 3 sets of crystals. When we plan out our mining a bit, there is a balance of who mines what so we don't all do one ore type, thereby needing to swap crystals so often.

If you are in high-sec space, you are only mining maybe 3 or 4 ore types and if you are in a fleet, the same principal applies. Try to compliment each others work. I seriously am floored at the nit-picking and crying going on about these changes. Come on people, suck it up and adapt. You can do this, really with little effort. Bring on the changes.

Apparently freedom does need fixed from time to time. Adding fuel bays in certain ships comes to mind.

We've always had limitations. And no, those limitations don't force you into a role, but they do require sacrifices at times including moving away from a particular hull. I can shield tank a harbinger but I'd probably be better off in a drake. And no matter how hard I try that magepulse raven won't seem manifest for me. It's the same here. Also there is the fact that it's seemingly intended that the hulk be nerfed in some capacities. You have a clear best and that is being eliminated. Who knows, maybe there will be some give in the next revision, but IMHO is shouldn't be much as it risks placing the hulk right back on it's pedestal.

- Most fragile, requires defense / fleet
- Smallest cargo, requires fleet

Those were plenty drawbacks enough.

Waste 1 more account just to play waiter + dead time due to more cystal breaks => profitability / accounts drops to Mackinaw levels and Mackinaw does not have any drawback to begin with. That's your fantastic balance at work.

Consolidation is a good thing.

As is getting out of the noob corp once you know how to play.

…but that second drawback means that the inability to carry every crystal under the moon is moot — you get more than enough space to carry what you need.

…neither of which is necessary if you plan it properly. Use complementary loadouts and/or have one of the haulers or defenders in the group act as waiter. Unless you pay absolutely no attention to what you're doing, the crystal breaks should be the same as they are now.

Or, if it's that big an issue, a mack.

people mine?

O.o...

I think the OP wants to have a ship that is the best yield, tank, and hauler. That is a dumb idea and won't happen, and he knows it.