EVE General Discussion

I was in Jita today, and I spent 3 hours on the undock just to confirm something I've noticed since 2007, and what I saw cemented my opinion that PVP in High Sec, and Wardec mechanics in high sec in general are absolutely ********.

Literally all I saw for 3 hours was (except for the traders going in and out):

1) People camping the station entrance and the back of the station with logistics ships and neutral RR.
2) People camping station exit with PVP ships.
3) People undocking, being primaried and getting shot at for 10 seconds and then redocking without even getting 20% into armor.
4) Same **** rinse and repeat for literally HOURS ON END, DAY AFTER DAY, YEAR AFTER YEAR.

When does CCP intend to fix the absolutely pathetic station "PVP" system in this game?

How does CCP justify that stations allow you to dock in them WHEN YOU ARE BEING ACTIVELY SHOT AT?

I know that you are not allowed to dock after shooting someone for a minute, but if you just undock and do nothing, and you have war targets outside the station ACTIVELY ATTACKING YOU, you can just dock up and go AFK/log off no problem without a single risk of loss.

This kind of ******** gameplay mechanic is what allows griefer corps to wardec empire miner corps and corps like Eve Uni.

A year ago, a guy was paid by another guy to wardec every corp I joined for 3 months in a row, and guess what, I could not do jack **** about it because every time I went after the bastard, he would just play ******** undock games with me for hours on end until I got so bored of not being to do anything about it that I just quit the game for 6 months out of frustration, because I cannot justify paying for a game that I cannot defend myself from assholes in because they are exploiting a dumb game mechanic.

If you are under attack, you SHOULD NOT be able to dock, jump, or do anything that implies a session change.

Seriously, imagine a frigate IRL being under fire from another frigate, and then it decides that it should go to a ship yard and close the hangar doors behind it to save its ass. HOW DOES THAT MAKE SENSE???

Can you imagine how many players you lose with ******** gameplay mechanic mishaps like those CCP?

Not to mention that it's bad for the economy, because WAY fewer ships are blowing up.

In 0.0 it is just as stupid, but not as prevalent because you don't have a station in almost every system where you can run off like a *** to.

Edit:
To clarify: I am not complaining about station camping, I am complaining that assholes can abuse this mechanic and wardec people just to go kill them while they are mining or doing missions, and when those people decide to strike back, said ******* just plays undock games with ZERO risk.

Edit 2: Someone had a BRILLIANT idea I built upon:



A VERY good idea!

They are going to redo all stations and V3 them, they might as well make all stations have the exit on the bottom and the entrance on top, and you can only dock at the station by being within a few KM of the docking point.

That would be perfect actually!

Warping to station at 0 would land you within the dock range on top.
Warping to station within anything over 10k would land you somewhere at the middle.
Undocking would only spawn you on the bottom.

Edit 3: Another good idea:

Another good fix would be NOT allowing members of the corp that declared war to dock back up if under attack, but allow the members of the corp that was wardecced to dock after being attacked.

That way it stops people from being griefed AND makes griefers actually have to pay for being assholes, which is FAIR.

What you are asking for would cripple small corps. Bigger corps always wardeccing them. They know where the smaller corps mainly stay, sit camp, kill after kill after kill. small corps can only lose from this.

Once more, I find myself in agreement with you, Lin. Station camping is an abomination, and station authorities shouldn't stand for it. Sure, everyone entering lowsec is fair game, but what is fair (let alone logical) about station camping? If you are a criminal, you should be shot at on sight by ALL law abiding organisations... even lowsec station authorities.

If CCP must, they could add pirate stations to house and restock pirates...

In low sec doesn't matter who's good or almost bad, shoot and station/gate sentry will open fire, and from my point of view those don't hit hard enough

There's nothing fair about gate or station camping is just a matter of knowing game mechanics and exploit them t'ill the last bone to get "kills", because that's what everything is about= "kills"
So the day those are kicked from high sec they will cry rivers oceans and entire water planets constellations and galaxies yadayada, then they will cry because gate/station guns harm them too much blahblahblah and then they will complain because they're not safe killing defenceless ships because bubbles, dictors and people actually playing pvp.

That's the real problem of this game.

Yea, well, that was a quick discussion then.^^

To clarify: I am not complaining about station camping, I am complaining that assholes can abuse this mechanic and wardec people just to go kill them while they are mining or doing missions, and when those people decide to strike back, said ******* just plays undock games with ZERO risk.

Same problem, the other way around - same solution.

Eventually it all cones down to: You cannot force someone to log in.

People undock to see if the camp is in place. If it is, they re-dock. Lets say we changed the game so they could not do that.

For example, say warp disruptors and scrams prevented docking, and to balance that it was possible to look out the window of a station to see whats out there. Two changes that balance each other. What would those camped in do? Look and see if its safe. If its not, do not undock. Now the campers just sit doing nothing. Fun Times!

Lets say we just had warp disruptors and scrams prevent docking, but no looking out the window. The camped-in would use a neutral alt to take a look, and not even log in their main unless it was safe.

Eventually it all cones down to: You cannot force someone to log in.

P.S. in real life if you are being shot at you can in fact run through a doorway and close the door.

yeah i definitely enjoy my concord protection when i'm -10

Station docking games are quite possibly the most annoying thing in the world. I do think it would be appropriate to do something about them. I don't know about making it impossible to go into a station if you're under attack. Maybe making it so you can't re-dock with the station you were attacked at? At least that provides some means of escape and if your attackers aren't smart enough to tackle you quickly then you deserve the escape. Then again that is what safe spots are for too. I don't have a solution but I think a solution should be found and implemented. I'll stop rambling now.

Edited for poor phrasing