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Gallente Lololos and Failformation Warfare
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Ares Desideratus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-08-03 01:29:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Ares Desideratus
Jack Miton wrote:
Everyone knows the EOS is ****, this isnt news, move on.

Well maybe he'll move on when they fix it, sasshole.
Songbird
#22 - 2012-08-03 02:57:23 UTC
Would you use proteus booster or loki booster for small gang?

If you're so afraid of ecm put a remote eccm - 120% bonus to sensor strength if I'm not mistaken - I think PL vs Hun reloaded match showed how effective that is.

If you want me to use gallente booster maybe I should have bonus to optimal and falloff and tracking. Gallentians can use some extra range.
Je720
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-08-03 10:23:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Je720
I would like to see the Eos turned into a T2 Myrm in the same way the Nighthawk is like a T2 drake. But I like the idea of having the Eos giving gunnery bonuses; falloff, tracking and optimal but not damage (think tier 3 BC scaling Ugh).

Edit: The sensor strength link is good in theory, why is not used? Does this need a buff?
Je720
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-08-06 16:29:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Je720
Information warfare should be buffed but that is not the issue with command ships. I think that choosing your command ship restricts you too much in what links you get a bonus too. With 3 links per type you do not really get much choice, you take the good with the bad with all races. All the command ships should be more flexible with the links that they receive bonuses from so that it does not matter so much which race's CS you pick as too which links you choose.

So for example you could give each race 3 link groups that they can choose links from, some over lapping with other races, which they will receive improved bonuses from the CS skill:

    Amarr
  • Armour
  • Gunnery
  • Capacitor

    Caldari
  • Shields
  • Missiles
  • Information Warfare

    Gallente
  • Information Warfare
  • Gunnery
  • Armour

    Minmatar
  • Skirmish Warfare
  • Gunnery
  • Shields
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#25 - 2012-08-06 16:52:09 UTC
Songbird wrote:
Would you use proteus booster or loki booster for small gang?

If you're so afraid of ecm put a remote eccm - 120% bonus to sensor strength if I'm not mistaken - I think PL vs Hun reloaded match showed how effective that is.

If you want me to use gallente booster maybe I should have bonus to optimal and falloff and tracking. Gallentians can use some extra range.


The effect of that would be Proteus powered Zealot/Legion gangs.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#26 - 2012-08-06 16:52:54 UTC
Je720 wrote:
Edit: The sensor strength link is good in theory, why is not used? Does this need a buff?


I use it.

-Liang

Ed: Pretty sure I have a jump clone with an info mindlink too.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Katalci
Kismesis
#27 - 2012-08-07 07:16:01 UTC
Whar Target wrote:
I do think that the e-war range link and sensor strength links suck though

Sensor Integrity owns. Stick it on a 4-link Damnation.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-08-07 12:35:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Barrogh Habalu
Je720 wrote:
    Amarr
  • Armour
  • Gunnery
  • Capacitor

    Caldari
  • Shields
  • Missiles
  • Information Warfare

    Gallente
  • Information Warfare
  • Gunnery
  • Armour

    Minmatar
  • Skirmish Warfare
  • Gunnery
  • Shields

This list makes sense, but there's a problem with racial distribution of those links.
In this one Gallente don't have unique links (thus there's a chance that we won't see this approach fixing Eos problems) and there's too much gunnery. Maybe you'll want to replace it with something for drones ("unmanned warfare"? lol). Also I'd give a cap warfare group more fluff-based name ("attrition warfare"? I'm bad with making up names).

Although you'd note that those are huge changes in the leadership department (especially weapon links) with all the consequences it'll be associated with.

On a side note, IIRC CCP wanted to change boosting mech a bit (no OGB), so maybe we'll see some changes to fleet command ships in the future (like, making them better at doing something on the field).

Consider this to be just a personal remark as I'm not in a position to judge about real problems with Eos or IW links.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Songbird
#29 - 2012-08-07 21:32:28 UTC
legion gang would be sweet, still beaten by tengu gang though me thinks. Gunnery needs a helping hand and if gallente command ships are to be used they have to have good links. If I had to choose bonus to tracking or bonus to speed and tackling range I still am not sure I won't stick with minmatar one anyway. As it is right now I've literally not seen anyone using info links. Anyway - it's not totally broken I doubt it will ever be changed...I'm sure next gen eve players will still be able to see an Eos in some grizzled old veteran's personal museum/ hangar, it's not like they'll totally stop making the ship .
Ginger Barbarella
#30 - 2012-08-07 22:48:07 UTC
CaptainFalcon07 wrote:
(mining is not combat related, does not count)


You must not be a peeveepee'er, since they CLAIM LOUDLY that killing miners *is* PVP. (See the numerous whining threads from hi sec gankers for proof of this).

So, are YOU wrong, or are THEY wrong?

"Blow it all on Quafe and strippers." --- Sorlac
Je720
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2012-08-08 00:19:49 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Je720 wrote:
    Amarr
  • Armour
  • Gunnery
  • Capacitor

    Caldari
  • Shields
  • Missiles
  • Information Warfare

    Gallente
  • Information Warfare
  • Gunnery
  • Armour

    Minmatar
  • Skirmish Warfare
  • Gunnery
  • Shields

This list makes sense, but there's a problem with racial distribution of those links.
In this one Gallente don't have unique links (thus there's a chance that we won't see this approach fixing Eos problems) and there's too much gunnery. Maybe you'll want to replace it with something for drones ("unmanned warfare"? lol). Also I'd give a cap warfare group more fluff-based name ("attrition warfare"? I'm bad with making up names).

Although you'd note that those are huge changes in the leadership department (especially weapon links) with all the consequences it'll be associated with.

On a side note, IIRC CCP wanted to change boosting mech a bit (no OGB), so maybe we'll see some changes to fleet command ships in the future (like, making them better at doing something on the field).

Consider this to be just a personal remark as I'm not in a position to judge about real problems with Eos or IW links.

Drones are not really used in large fleets so a command ship bonus for dones in their current state would not really be used. If Gallente can't have gunnery however, I would rather have Skirmish Warfare (speed/agility) to get in range with blasters.
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