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have you thought of a way to clean up the help channel(s) ? sometimes they feel worse than jita local, even though they usually giva a lot of very usefull information

I remember it being OK in the rookie channel when an ISD was around, even if the chat went past very fast some hours. Things could get pretty bad when the ISD weren't around, though.

Russians would ask other Russians for help in the English rookie help channel sometimes. Those that spoke English said the Russian channel was unhelpful.

Personally, at the start, the list of items in context menu was a little intimidating cause there were a lot of entries that were thus far unexplained besides the navigational ones.

Using the context menu also felt tedious to me and gave me a feeling of "Am I going to use this menu to get everywhere?"

I would have much more appreciated a selected items tutorial so that I could learn stuff like manual piloting and get used to using the overview to find a target and using selected items for the action instead of trying to find the action in a list.

That said I haven't had the chance to try the tutorials since Tyrannis or so I'm eager to see what's new on SiSi :D
(Speaking of which is there a way that I can get a dev or GM to forcibly remove a character for me to let me get around the 10 hours thing to jump right in and try it?)

Oh and make absolutely sure that the first character creation have a bit about how their race does NOT have an effect on their capabilities.

If I read the graph right, most people leave whilst being shown the Captains Quarters part of the game?

How is this a surprise? "EvE is WHEEEE spaceships! PEW PEW! Massive sandbox! But .... well, here is a room where you can do absolutely nothing useful whatsoever"

I really suspect you will get a higher retention rate from the NPE if you don't make the first thing they see a half baked feature with double the running requirements of the core game and little to no interaction with it.

Make CQ an optional tutorial AFTER the flying in space tutorial and you will avoid this lopsided and botched message about what EvE is from the start.

I had a look at the NPE recently and I can tell you I would NOT be playing this game if the first thing I had seen were "how to walk around your useless CQ .... oh and BTW it really doesn't work well and the camera is broken."

No, No, No, No, NO!

You call Caroline Dalton up and you bring her right on back.

This is something I don't mind seeing my RL bucks being spent on.

2 Months ago I invited a real life friend to eve and was trying to run the tutorial with him in empire.

Both him and me couldnt figure out, where to find the things refered to in the tutorial, so after 2 days he gave up on eve.

I hope the new tutorial will be better.

WTB Right click menu that is as sexy as the mission objective HUD panel.

Some thoughts I'd like to share about the blog. Overall impression is very positive, but some things just jumped out at me.

It was mentioned (and shown on the chart) that some people struggled with the part of the tutorial that introduced training queue and all that. Have you guys considered that the queue itself and the training system are the problem, not the tutorial?

What I mean is, I recently tried to get some people I know to play EVE. One of them, just as we reached the part with the skill queue, immediately wanted to see how long it would take for him to fly a specific ship. After he looked at training times, he just laughed and said the game is not for him because life is too short to waste on a game where it takes 3+ months to get anywhere. It's just too much of a commitment, one most people would be unwilling to make on an unproven game. Perhaps changing the skill training system, or even shifting the focus from character skill to player skill is the way to go.

Second thing that jumped out at me is changing the shields on the rookie ship so that the tutorial rats have no chance of killing the player. Did I read that right? Even in the most casual of MMOs, ones suitable for children of 6-8 years old, the beginner monsters have a very real chance to kill you. In some MMOs, being killed and dealing with it is part of the initial tutorial (like in upcoming Guild Wars 2, you where you get incapacitated during the tutorial no matter what you do). Off the top of my head, i can't even remember an MMO where you can't die to the very first enemy you engage.

Voiceovers being removed makes perfect sense, since tutorials are being reworked. But no audio for tutorials makes the game look dated and amateurish. In this day and age, there should be voiceovers for missions, for important events, etc. In other genres, voiceovers have been standard since approximately 2004. In MMOs, voiceovers are becoming standard, at least for important key quests, and some MMOs (SWTOR, and partially AoC) have voiceovers for everything. Having a wall of text thrown at you can be softened a bit with a voiceover, even a partial one that only generally describes the next step. Without the voice, it just reinforces the "spreadsheets in space" stigma that EVE has to deal with.

The +/- for full speed or stop is no better than triangles, really. Plus implies increase, minus implies reduction. If I knew nothing of the game, I would have assumed acceleration and deceleration, not full speed ahead or full stop. Changing the - to a stop sign and + to >> or "full" or something would be more in line with what the buttons actually do.

The new tooltips, while great, will do more harm than good for a new player. They show things like falloff or tracking speed, and the new pilot might see them before knowing what they even mean, or knowing if or how important that information is. Knowing myself, if I saw a tooltip like that, I would immediately start trying to find out how my actions influence tracking and falloff, because my assumption would be that the game is player-skill based, not character-skill based. And knowing EVE's UI, I would have a heck of a time finding out the answer, and when I did find it, I wouldn't like it because it would essentially take me to that training queue tutorial and explained to me that to increase those I'd be looking at three weeks' training time.

Having said that, I think the in-space pointers are going to pay off in a major way. EDIT: In fact, it might be beneficial to re-do the game's UI to make better use of the in-space pointers. That is, instead of clicking an item in space, and the selected item changing, why not bring up the space pointer right on top of what you clicked, giving you the option to approach, warp, etc.? Would make the UI a whole lot more intuitive than it is right now.

Tutorial icon can not be removed from the newcom. The option gets covered up by the resume tutorial option and does not remove it from the neocom if highlighted and clicked. Do I need to bug report this?

Edit: I say this becouse there is also no way from inside the tutorial to drag that tutorial to chat. IE a player is not sure which tutorial page to link in chat so he opens up the tutorial and quickly goes thru the tutorials looking for the one that he wants to link. When the page is found you have to open up the help menu to drag the mission you want to chat.

Looking good looking good!

P.S. please send Team Five 0 on calligraphy classes as Personal Skills Development :(