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Why the corp member allowed to engage another at anytime shouldn't be allowed

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Lady Ati
Systems High Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#21 - 2012-08-01 00:22:56 UTC
Well theres a few things wrong with this....

1. Don't do anything to make the other people want to kill you. Why do you think you were attacked in our alliance,

2. Don't let everyone into your corp who cares about member count if they can't help you

3. API and background check everyone who applies

4. Stop whining every time something doesn't go your way you make yourself an easy target. Person above me is right this is not a game for kids so grow up and accept that some people are just assholes.


If you get an awoxer in your corp and your members lose ships it is on your head as CEO.


This is EVE you need to learn this and accept it. Twisted
Zaltone
SkyDog Freight and Logistics
#22 - 2012-08-01 00:33:52 UTC
Lady Ati wrote:
Well theres a few things wrong with this....

1. Don't do anything to make the other people want to kill you. Why do you think you were attacked in our alliance,

2. Don't let everyone into your corp who cares about member count if they can't help you

3. API and background check everyone who applies

4. Stop whining every time something doesn't go your way you make yourself an easy target. Person above me is right this is not a game for kids so grow up and accept that some people are just assholes.


If you get an awoxer in your corp and your members lose ships it is on your head as CEO.


This is EVE you need to learn this and accept it. Twisted




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Sigras
Conglomo
#23 - 2012-08-01 09:18:05 UTC
Marcus Ichiro wrote:
If you don't want to consent to PvP, don't undock log in.

FTFY
Even market PvP is PvP.

Everything in Eve is PvP
MidnightWyvern
Fukamichi Corporation
SAYR Galactic
#24 - 2012-08-01 12:05:44 UTC
The fact is that the ability to engage members of your Corporation is fairly essential when it comes to training new pilots in PvP, as practice battles are really the only way to effectively do this.

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FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#25 - 2012-08-01 14:25:49 UTC
Lady Ati wrote:
If you get an awoxer in your corp and your members lose ships it is on your head as CEO.


I disagree. Some of our guys are quite good at safaris and have the social engineering down to a science. API check and research only go so far: if they're using an alt with no kill record and a clean corp history, there's nothing to indicate their intent to blow up your stuff.

As I said before, a minimum SP limit on entrance into your main corp can be a rather significant barrier. If you're doing your API checks properly, you won't get many characters with 5+ million SP looking to awox corpmates for the first time. You can still get some determined individuals, but it drastically reduces the pool of potential violence.

Regardless, you need to exercise caution when checking out new recruits. One of our guys recently destroyed 4.5 billion isk when he joined a corp and wiped out a mining fleet. The same guy just last night acquired 50 kills on an embedded alt by dropping a smartbombing raven in the middle of a RvB fleet (he also hit a neutral and was concorded). In both cases, he was fully trusted the moment he joined the corp. He was given access to all their ops. Here are a few questions ask yourself:

1) Where is this guy? Is he in a mission hub where he might have spotted an expensive mission ship? Did he just spot our mining op? It's rather suspect if you aren't actively recruiting that someone suddenly takes an interest in your corp among all the others out there.

2) What's he flying? If you want to immediately involve a guy in corp activities, meet him in space and check out his ship. Ship scan him on the pretense of making sure it's competently fitted. Is it PVP fitted when you're supposed to be running a level 4 mission? If he's offering to haul stuff in a badger, does it have guns and a point?

3) What am I flying? Don't trot out your faction-fitted mission ships or your hulk fleet when you have a new guy. Most awoxers are looking for quick kills, and will settle for something relatively cheap. It's a lot better to lose 200 million on a T2 fitted battleship than 2 billion on a faction fitted marauder or T3. You need to involve new recruits so they feel welcome, but you don't have to expose your valuable hardware to do that.

Basically, minimize the risk of loss to recruits. You'll never be 100% safe from this sort of behavior, but you can certainly secure yourself against much of it.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#26 - 2012-08-01 14:29:30 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
MidnightWyvern wrote:
The fact is that the ability to engage members of your Corporation is fairly essential when it comes to training new pilots in PvP, as practice battles are really the only way to effectively do this.


Nah. "Here's a free rifter, fleet up and let's go find people to shoot." Ten minutes of explaining out PVP combat works and some post-fight constructive criticism and they'll be competent pilots in no time.

Practice battles indeed. I've never "practiced" for PVP. I did get involved in a few T1 cruiser tournaments some friends put on, but that was just arranged fights.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Lady Ati
Systems High Guard
Tactical Narcotics Team
#27 - 2012-08-01 15:41:12 UTC
One of the reasons I said it's on his head at least a week ago when he flew with us he used a we'll talk 5 minutes and then you're in point to recruiting. you will get a few awoxers from time to time I've done it myself before but As I said to him before more research is better.

Even if an awoxer is good and gets in and you lose a mining barge or ten as the CEO you still need to deal with it and help get things back on track. In my honest opinion it becomes your responsibility to help and get things back on track. I understand things happen but all the same complaining about how things have been for a while like this though they may change and I highly doubt it it is a part of the game. Some people just enjoy being assholes and the thrill you get with it. Smile
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