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Buffing Solo PVP
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Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-07-28 22:35:01 UTC
I find it funny that people defend off grid boosting by saying that it is necesarry for "solo" pvp.

If you are using multiple chars, you are not solo.

I think removing off grid boosting would help revive solo PVP, and I mean real solo pvpers.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
The Initiative.
#2 - 2012-07-28 22:39:13 UTC
Off grid boosting enables one (technically two) characters to take on ten.

If you remove off grid boosting then the rorq and command t3s become unusable.
This has been discussed to death.

It's a bad idea.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-07-28 22:40:41 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Off grid boosting enables one (technically two) characters to take on ten.

If you remove off grid boosting then the rorq and command t3s become unusable.
This has been discussed to death.

It's a bad idea.


But since 2 != 1, it is not solo pvp.

woosh.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-07-28 22:42:52 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Off grid boosting enables one (technically two) characters to take on ten.

If you remove off grid boosting then the rorq and command t3s become unusable.
This has been discussed to death.

It's a bad idea.


But since 2 != 1, it is not solo pvp.

woosh.


prove to me with killmails there was someone else there.
Nyreanya
Serenity Labs
#5 - 2012-07-28 22:43:28 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Off grid boosting enables one (technically two) characters to take on ten.

If you remove off grid boosting then the rorq and command t3s become unusable.
This has been discussed to death.

It's a bad idea.


But since 2 != 1, it is not solo pvp.

woosh.

Don't bother trying to reason with someone who's entire argument is 2 isn't equal to 1. You won't win, reguardless of how relevant that fact is.

[/sarcasm]
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-07-28 22:43:53 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Off grid boosting enables one (technically two) characters to take on ten.

If you remove off grid boosting then the rorq and command t3s become unusable.
This has been discussed to death.

It's a bad idea.


But since 2 != 1, it is not solo pvp.

woosh.


prove to me with killmails there was someone else there.


Since when does off grid boosting show up on killmails?
Spurty
#7 - 2012-07-28 22:44:45 UTC
Solo play is the thing of one player games.

May solo payers lament their terrible fate in an MMO



There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-07-28 22:45:57 UTC
Spurty wrote:
Solo play is the thing of one player games.

May solo payers lament their terrible fate in an MMO





The problem is people like this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rn_c2Q2W09U

who claim to be solo but aren't.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
The Initiative.
#9 - 2012-07-28 22:46:32 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Off grid boosting enables one (technically two) characters to take on ten.

If you remove off grid boosting then the rorq and command t3s become unusable.
This has been discussed to death.

It's a bad idea.


But since 2 != 1, it is not solo pvp.

woosh.


prove to me with killmails there was someone else there.


Since when does off grid boosting show up on killmails?


My point exactly. 1 ship on the killmail = solo pvp.

Prove to me he wasn't solo.
Suddenly Forums ForumKings
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-07-28 22:48:09 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Off grid boosting enables one (technically two) characters to take on ten.

If you remove off grid boosting then the rorq and command t3s become unusable.
This has been discussed to death.

It's a bad idea.


But since 2 != 1, it is not solo pvp.

woosh.


prove to me with killmails there was someone else there.


Since when does off grid boosting show up on killmails?


My point exactly. 1 ship on the killmail = solo pvp.

Prove to me he wasn't solo.


So you probably also count neutral rep support as solo.
baltec1
Bat Country
The Initiative.
#11 - 2012-07-28 22:48:19 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Off grid boosting enables one (technically two) characters to take on ten.

If you remove off grid boosting then the rorq and command t3s become unusable.
This has been discussed to death.

It's a bad idea.


My industry alt can take on 5+ solo so I think people in real combat ships can manageBlink
Spurty
#12 - 2012-07-28 22:48:34 UTC
Cameron Cahill wrote:


prove to me with killmails there was someone else there.


You have picked up on a flaw in the generation and calculation of kill mails.

Neutrals remote sensor boosting and logistics ships and scouts that push people through the gates should have their roles reflected on kill mails. Dedicated bonus ships included.

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#13 - 2012-07-28 22:49:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Large Collidable Object
For once, I have to agree with you.

Whilst it remains a matter of debate whether solo means operating multiple accounts alone or really singleboxing alone, it discourages the latter.

So whenever entering a system with more than two pilots in local, one has to assume the other one could be the first ones lame-ass 6 link Tengu alt boosting from within pos shields.

Yeah - they can be probed down, but unfortunately, I don't have my probing alt with me when flying solo, which is also quite useless when the other guys boosting alt is sitting within POS-shields or not a total noob forgetting about hitting Dscan every now and then whilst sitting in his spot.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
The Initiative.
#14 - 2012-07-28 22:58:48 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:

So you probably also count neutral rep support as solo.


Never comes up as i'm not a hisec dwelling bottom feeder who claims to pvp.
Cameron Cahill
Deaths Consortium
The Initiative.
#15 - 2012-07-28 23:06:09 UTC
You have four options regarding boosting alts.

1) get your own
2) get a good enough ship/implants/skill to win without boosts
3) get some friends and win despite boosts
4) whine to ccp and pray they listen

give you a clue.... 1 of these is laughable.... guess which
Pipa Porto
#16 - 2012-07-28 23:06:15 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Cameron Cahill wrote:
Off grid boosting enables one (technically two) characters to take on ten.

If you remove off grid boosting then the rorq and command t3s become unusable.
This has been discussed to death.

It's a bad idea.


But since 2 != 1, it is not solo pvp.

woosh.


So? Someone's lying about how many people he's flying with. Whoop Dee Dooo.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#17 - 2012-07-28 23:30:13 UTC
Most people with a brain suggest it boosts SMALL GANG pvp since otherwise there is a massive advantage to the larger fleets. The idea being a smaller gang can of course have some advantage without their boosters being insta blapped at the start of the fight.

Soloers is of course a tenuous term. I use solo to describe my one client, one character, no support pvp, and others use it to describe 'soloing with whatever clients they have to hand'.

Laugh all you like about the semantics but nerfing off-grid boosters definitely works to the detriment of guerilla tactics overall.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#18 - 2012-07-28 23:36:26 UTC
Lady Spank wrote:


Laugh all you like about the semantics but nerfing off-grid boosters definitely works to the detriment of guerilla tactics overall.



Wrong. Boosters are the force multiplier par excellence.
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Russell Casey
Doomheim
#19 - 2012-07-28 23:36:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Russell Casey
So stop can dueling already. Roll
Lady Spank
Get Out Nasty Face
#20 - 2012-07-28 23:43:03 UTC
Large Collidable Object wrote:
Lady Spank wrote:


Laugh all you like about the semantics but nerfing off-grid boosters definitely works to the detriment of guerilla tactics overall.



Wrong. Boosters are the force multiplier par excellence.


I just said that, only they also force multiply larger groups as well, duh.

(ಠ_ృ) ~ It Takes a Million Years to Become Diamonds So Lets Just Burn Like Coal Until the Sky's Black ~ (ಠ_ృ)
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