Market Discussions

why will the changes to mining ships mean more isotopes? the maximum yield is unchanged.

yeah but do you really think those people who afk mine are aware that their mack is going to be mining a lot less ice, especially with a rig they're probably not aware of?

you over estimate people.

people panic selling stockpiles because they think there's going to be some huge influx of miners.

"Perma hulkageddon has fizzled, last week ice mining systems at The Forge were back up again to 80+ in local instead of 25.

Plus a sizable number of people left for summer vacations and offlined their POS"

this....

Bots come back in droves after this change. Everyone on the planet gets to AFK in ICE BELTS where they only have to dock like 2 x an hour. Seriously how could you not see this coming.

All Isotopes - 300 to 350 p/u
Liquid Ozone 200 to 225 p/u
Heavy Water 12 to 15 pu

By end of year...

etny doesn't know how to do anything but mine, sorry

PI parts of fuel block manufacture are on the way up. How high will they reach if isotopes bottom out and supply saturates the market but PI goods supply cannot match it . Only Bob knows . .

Well its already netted me more than 16 billion and I have built up quite a stock of materials which I expect to go up quite abit more after the patch. Just surprised only a few other buyers cottoned on early.

Robotics have made me 6B alone never mind Coolant/mechanical parts and enriched uranium.

Fuel blocks I sold several million units at 20k+ and then brought them back at 15-16k 3 weeks later.

Long live Patches

Unless all the high sec mining is done on skiffs, macks are easily gankable. A full yield mack used to mine 76 blocks an hour, now it mines 70... that’s a reduction in extraction. The ehp of the old yield mack was 10k, now its 16k. Old macks on wholesale went for 150millon each, now 290m due to mat changes. And hulks? Who the hell would undock one of those now?

the point is, if the extraction of isotopes comes from full yield ships, then ganking is now more profitable than ever due to killing hulks when actually killing one, and also when killing a mack!.... lots of blue salvage? Oh yeah.

Cost of the gank? 2 dessies. Potential targets? Yield macks, half yield/half tank macks (DCUII + 2 invuls) and just about any hulk, really. Got 3 dessies? Well **** it, only skiffs are out of reach.

The real point is this; a full yield mack was affordable to lose. Now it isn’t. It must be tanked because it’s expensive as ****. A yield mack died to a dessie before and still does today, the difference is the cost of the barge, it’s 100% more expensive. If it is half tanked ehp climbs to 26k and the yield suffers even more, and goes down to 64 cubes/h and guess what, it dies 100% of the time to a double dessie gank... Am i really the only one who sees this?

The ehp buff? Now that was the real "fizzle". From the insane 48kehp yield macks we are down to 16kehp (with perfect skills, and t2 shield gang) can a single cat kill one? Not always... can two? 100% sure.

How long until miners begin to ***** about a 30 million gank killing their 300m ship? heh, didn’t take long for the bitching to start when the gank was 15m and their ship was 150m.

Also, ice prices were "stable" at around 1k p/u, they peaked at 1.3kp/u and since then they went down simply because 40m isk/h on highsec was too good to be true, the initial speculation before the patch actually raised prices, mostly due to what we now know as a fact, ice yield is down.

And yes some more miners will undock and mine 2 to 6 hours a week. woop de doo... the high sec isotope supply doesn’t come from the miners that mine and sell in the system station once or twice a week, it comes from the no lifers like myself that mine 1 - 2 million units a day. (i am, ofc, not even mentioning those damn bots)

My yield didn’t go up, it went down. All the while my risk cost went through the roof.

Now, please. Tell me how does this lower isotope prices?

Quite frankly 2 things have me puzzled, first how come Vaerah Vahrokha seems to agree that ganking is over because barges are now immortal… I thought you were the smart one around here, unless you are buying lots of what others are trowing away. And the second thing is why corestwo isn’t being more smug about how horribly will this barge rebalance backfire, I mean if there’s someone looking at the stupid production cost/gankability of the “new” barges, it has to be the gooons.

Ah yes, but now you can get nearly the same output out of a Retriever (which is only 4% less yield per hour then the Mack, if the Mack pilot has Exhumer IV). Slightly less EHP (about 10k EHP if tanked), you dock every 30 minutes instead of every 35 minutes, and your total ship cost is around 40-50M instead of 300-350M.

Unless the T2 Mack gets a bigger boost per level in the Exhumer skill then it currently has, I expect Retrievers to line the ice belts.