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CCP, please allow us to combat AFK Cloaking. Idea inside....
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Alexzandvar Douglass
Motiveless Malignity
Deepwater Hooligans
#41 - 2012-08-12 19:31:55 UTC
I just mine in my Battleship EHP Skiff when we have a cloaky bomber in System.

Total Bombers dead because they tried to bomb my 79k EHP Skiff: 8

Total Bombers dead because they tried to torp my 79k EHP Skiff: 3
Uris Vitgar
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#42 - 2012-08-12 20:43:19 UTC
Astroniomix wrote:

You realize that only stealth bombers and black ops have this bonus right? And black ops still have to deal with that goddamn scan resolution penalty. (10 seconds to lock a battleship; ugh) So don't go acting like recons or t3s can just decloak and instalock you.


Huh, I was under the impression recons had it as well. Also if you read carefully you'll notice I made an exception for blackops with the "covert ops" clause, so I guess that leaves only bombers. Still you've got to admit that for hotdrops they're very potent
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#43 - 2012-08-12 20:46:01 UTC
Uris Vitgar wrote:
Astroniomix wrote:

You realize that only stealth bombers and black ops have this bonus right? And black ops still have to deal with that goddamn scan resolution penalty. (10 seconds to lock a battleship; ugh) So don't go acting like recons or t3s can just decloak and instalock you.


Huh, I was under the impression recons had it as well. Also if you read carefully you'll notice I made an exception for blackops with the "covert ops" clause, so I guess that leaves only bombers. Still you've got to admit that for hotdrops they're very potent

If they live long enough to hold the point.

Also, Hot drops are not the only use of bombers.
Gerrick Palivorn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#44 - 2012-08-12 23:26:09 UTC
Athreya wrote:
Tchulen wrote:

I find it amazing that some people suggest things either without considering the implications of their suggestions or simply don't care about anything in the game that isn't them.
The same is applied to you. I have seen as at least one old (1 year 7 month) zero corp was disbanded because people stopped playing eve. One guy with alt camped the system they were renting during several weeks. At the end corp leader Karina Storm used my system to hunt in and disbanded his corp in a few days. That is bad.


Really, if a corp disbanded because someone AFK cloaked their rented system then they deserved to be disbanded. The job of Corp leadership is to keep the corp morale high to keep cohesive bonds between the pilots. Note that the corp disbanded was the leaderships lack of action more than to an alt not at there computer.

Your conclusions of the story has no basis and the lines you draw between situations are comical at best. You almost sound like some poorly structured political ads.

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Easthir Ravin
Easy Co.
#45 - 2012-08-13 05:55:25 UTC
Greetings

Someone please oh please please lock this thread.

This horse is past dead, it is a rotting corpse on the road side of threads. We get it you want your local hang out to always be blue in local. You wrote of the concept of 'fare' . Life is not fare deal with it and like others have said and I will continue to break the proverbial brick wall down with my forehead. The game should not be completely altered just to suit one play style. I mean you chowder heads got your Barge Buff, stop trying to kill the game for everyone else.

2 cents

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Athreya
YTM Corporation
#46 - 2012-08-13 21:02:12 UTC
Gerrick Palivorn wrote:
Really, if a corp disbanded because someone AFK cloaked their rented system then they deserved to be disbanded. The job of Corp leadership is to keep the corp morale high to keep cohesive bonds between the pilots. Note that the corp disbanded was the leaderships lack of action more than to an alt not at there computer.
This is just a game and old people, instead of being under intent look of one afk cloaker selected other game to play. I believe there are quite a lot of people who play the game and only looking for slight push to leave it. Dont you think it is CCP's fault that they loose customers so easily?

Easthir Ravin wrote:
The game should not be completely altered just to suit one play style
There are other real ways to fix problem without altering the game. For example if cloaker is afk make this visible in local chat somehow. There is a nice report bot button if user never goes afk.
Michael Harari
Genos Occidere
HYDRA RELOADED
#47 - 2012-08-13 21:36:10 UTC
[quote=Uris Vitgar][quote=Astroniomix] Also if you read carefully you'll notice I made an exception for blackops with the "covert ops" /quote]

Black ops dont have covops cloaks, try again



How to fix afk cloaking: Cloaked ships dont appear in local. There, now you dont have to worry about afk cloakers
Sixx Spades
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2012-08-13 22:23:12 UTC
Athreya wrote:
I believe there are quite a lot of people who play the game and only looking for slight push to leave it. Dont you think it is CCP's fault that they loose customers so easily?

Are you implying that you've considered quitting because of this cloaked person in your system? There are ways to get this person to reveal themselves so that you have the opportunity to attack and destroy them, ya know. However, I get the feeling that you're either too chicken or too worried about losing stuff to actually try and do something about it. (i.e. baiting)

Either way, can I have your stuff?

Using a weapon as a deterrent in a diplomatic situation is only viable when you have proven that you have deployed it in the past and are willing to use it in the future.
Buzzy Warstl
Quantum Flux Foundry
#49 - 2012-08-13 23:29:54 UTC
A classic whine, with a definite nose of sour grapes.

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Loius Woo
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2012-08-14 00:18:33 UTC
Easthir Ravin wrote:
Greetings

Someone please oh please please lock this thread.

This horse is past dead, it is a rotting corpse on the road side of threads. We get it you want your local hang out to always be blue in local. You wrote of the concept of 'fare' . Life is not fare deal with it and like others have said and I will continue to break the proverbial brick wall down with my forehead. The game should not be completely altered just to suit one play style. I mean you chowder heads got your Barge Buff, stop trying to kill the game for everyone else.

2 cents


You misspelled fair.
Jack Carrigan
Order of the Shadow
#51 - 2012-08-14 00:52:21 UTC
Cloaking. It is still working as intended.

HTFU.

I am the One who exists in Shadow. I am the Devil your parents warned you about.

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-08-14 01:24:29 UTC
Turn off you local chat.

tadda! your AFK person problem solved

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W33b3l
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-08-14 05:31:12 UTC
I would actually be an favor of making it so objects and ships can not de-cloak a cloaked ship anymore. Its hard to be sneaky when a ******** fleet mate warps to you, or you accidentally get to close to an asteroid... its kind of stupid to be honest.

I've also never been a huge fan of just showing up in local when I'm some place I really shouldn't be. Jump into someone elses nullsec system, even cloaked, and EVERYONE knows your there the second that you do. Wheres the fun in that. I understand that if you made local the same as it is in WHS throughout the entire game, that it would break several game mechanics though. It would still be nice to jump into a system without a damn siren going off.

I heard that other cloaked ships will not cause cloaked ships to de-cloak anymore but havnt tested it yet. At least thats a start.

Scanning down a cloaked ship? some of you need to switch to tobacco and stop smoking that questionable stuff.

I used to sit cloaked in a safe spot and go to work just to irritate the hell out of WT's.

If your too afraid to do anything because someone is in local and you do not know where they are, then either stay in highsec or go back to playing something like WOW.

Yelena Fedorova
#54 - 2012-08-14 08:59:42 UTC
Alexzandvar Douglass wrote:
I just mine in my Battleship EHP Skiff when we have a cloaky bomber in System.

Total Bombers dead because they tried to bomb my 79k EHP Skiff: 8

Total Bombers dead because they tried to torp my 79k EHP Skiff: 3


Hmm... must try Pirate
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#55 - 2012-08-14 11:56:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
Electra001 wrote:
I would like to propose another alternative to the AFK-Cloaking problem.

which problem?? Cloak is just a tool for a purpose.
What you are basically argueing about is that random people can hang around and afking in any place of eve universum without asking you for a permission, which is FINE! There is no space for your exclusive use, its for everyone!

Yes, most likely they will be there for killmails, they are there where you are, where is something to kill. If you bring a fuckton of ratting ships into a system, there will be people sitting and waiting you to come out with them ratting. Why not? Its all right with that. If you are afk docked they cant do anything to you, if they are afking cloaked you cant do anything to them - so what? You have no claim for any chunk of the space for your exclusive use, there will be always neutral people which is good!
The fact just 1 cloaker will be able to "lock down" a horde of ratters in such manner is not afk cloakers fault, its yours putting many people into a single system - many ratters in a single system is a big attraction for other people afking there and waiting them to come out of hide. ITS ALL RIGHT WITH THIS!

Eve 0.0 is already too secure, local gives you already too much safety, eve is already too blob oriented. Nerfing cloaks would only worsen the situation.
Raglany
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-08-14 15:17:14 UTC
How about:

You give territorial claimed systems, a module. Like the strategic upgrades.

No cloacking possible in this system, because of an energy burst, or whatsoever. This means, system wide no cloaking. Also not for the allies.

Or: this modules allows once in 4 hours, to pulse a burtst of energy to decloack all ships in the system, and renders them in-operable for the coming 15minutes orso.

Using this module, would thus need to be more strategically used, and offers benefits and drawbacks.

Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#57 - 2012-08-14 15:32:23 UTC
Raglany wrote:
How about:

You give territorial claimed systems, a module. Like the strategic upgrades.

No cloacking possible in this system, because of an energy burst, or whatsoever. This means, system wide no cloaking. Also not for the allies.

Or: this modules allows once in 4 hours, to pulse a burtst of energy to decloack all ships in the system, and renders them in-operable for the coming 15minutes orso.

Using this module, would thus need to be more strategically used, and offers benefits and drawbacks.



why? which proplem are you trying to solve by gimping cloak?
Raglany
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#58 - 2012-08-14 16:48:30 UTC
In my perspective, their isn't really an issue with cloaking.
However, by implementing a change like this, cloaking gets more tactical, it would add am extra dimension to the chase of your target.

Login an be afk cloaking is still possible, but their are some risks now. Isn't everything in EvE supposed to be balanced, want to cloaky hottdrop, by active, be aware.

I'm definitly not crying about some cloaky red in local, i've lived in a WH so i don't really care, but some defense against it would be lets say... interesting?
Robert Caldera
Caldera Trading and Investment
#59 - 2012-08-14 16:54:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Robert Caldera
no.
eliminating cloak would mean 100% control of whatever territories you occupy in 0.0 and would encourage even more blobs than we have today.
Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-08-14 17:25:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Sarik Olecar
Silly OP, Cloaking Devices don't even emit Tachyon particles. What you'd be looking for is a displacement in the variant subspace waves around the ship.

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