Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Did you even think about that, before you posted?

1. An AFK timer is so easily avoidable and without breaking the EULA.

2. Lag is not and never will be an issue, from someone AFK and inactive.

3. Bots are by definition 'active', it's just a program doing the activity.

4. Purple Monkey socks.

Here we go again with another "the AFK cloaker is preventing me from bearing and making risk-free ISK."

The title should have been:

"CCP, please allow us to combat AFK Cloaking. Stupid ****ing idea inside."
"CCP, please allow us to combat AFK Cloaking. Crybabying inside."
"CCP, please break mechanics that are working as intended. ***** inside."

Um, bots do things constantly and wouldn't be disconnected?

Also, lots of bots can log themselves back in if a DC happens.

Also, this thread, again. CCP should start setting people who make these threads every day read-only on the forums.

If you'd bothered to actually look for other threads like the one you've created (or duplicated, depending on perspective) you'd have discovered that this topic has been debated to death. Your idea isn't new or ingeneous, it's a repetition of an old, whiney theme.

There is no "AFK cloaker" problem. There is a problem with people's perception of what they're complaining about. You're not complaing about people being AFK, you're complaining about being stupid enough to assume that someone is AFK when they're not. You're complaining about the fact that you and your corp are so incompetant that you're incapable of baiting a trap. You're complaining about the fact that you've moved to nullsec but you're still a high sec carebear and have fear in your heart. No one is stopping people from playing the game, they're making it a risk to carebear.

Simple solution: Grow a pair, gain some gonads.

The beauty of this solution is you don't need to wait for a dev to unnecessarily change the code. You're in control of this change.

Why should CCP change a mechanic that works for one that breaks a massive amount of people's game when the solution is so simple.

Be glad you have local. Those of us who live in wormholes from time to time know how to be careful and actively watch what's going on in the system. Try closing local when you're in nullsec. You'll no longer have the issue of AFK cloakers. No need for fear, right? You can't see them any more so they're not a threat, correct? Absolutely not. No, you need to actively watch what's going on around you.

Go live in a WH for a bit. You'll have a different perspective on nullsec intel once you have. You have it easy. You know when there's someone cloaked in your system so you can do something about it, whether that's get your corpmates together in your ganking ships and bait the chap or come onto the forums for a whine. In a WH the first thing you know about being attacked by a force recon is when he decloaks and locks you. Or a cov ops cloaked tengu which can be a day ruiner.

Do you read people from WHs whining on the forum about being ganked by cloakers? No, of course not because it's a fair tactic with counters.

AFK cloaking is only a tactic because high sec carebears like you move to nullsec and think that you should be able to bear there without having to fight for it, bait for it or risk for it.

You're wrong and no one is stopping you from playing except yourself.

1. No, but at least you now know you were wrong on both counts.

2. Show me proof that the client sends enough data to cause lag, whilst the player is AFK and inactive.

3. Bots are still acting as active and thus will not be affected by the AFK timer. Also see 1.

4. It's spelt 'Gopher' and he would be wearing purple monkey socks.

How about...No.

Next!

And you just broke scouting. Well done.


So cloaks shouldn't be used by people exploring wormholes, is that what you're saying? Because the introduction of cloak fuel would do this.

So cloaks shouldn't be used by people scouting out their enemy's space, right? Because the introduction of cloak fuel would definitely do this.

So all cov ops, force recons and black ops ships should be rendered usekess, right? Again, because your suggestion would most certainly do this.

Your suggestion would render all forms of "valid" cloaking usage void purely to mean that the nullsec carebears who are too frightened to play the game can come out from behind their POS shield again.

I find it amazing that some people suggest things either without considering the implications of their suggestions or simply don't care about anything in the game that isn't them.

As for immune..... How many times has this been pointed out? When you're in a station you're immune. When you're offline you're immune. In both situations you're immune because you also can't hurt anyone. A little like cloaking, really, isn't it? So you're suggesting that your character should be auto-logged online whilst you're at work so I can kill it? Are you really suggesting that you should auto-eject from from a station after a timeout so I can kill you whilst you're chatting to someone on the phone in a different room to your computer? Because that's what you're saying about people who are cloaked.

Someone who is cloaked is immune but they also can't shoot you. Covert ops cloaks are designed to be able to get people into a position to uncloak and engage. There is nothing wrong with cov ops cloaks as the ships they fit are balanced for the cloaks. With a normal cloak you can't warp whilst cloaked meaning as soon as you initiate warp you're detectable just like if you didn't have a cloak fitted other than you still have the negative effect of having a cloak fitted. If you're on-grid you can decloak and then wait for so long before you can lock that your enemy either warps off or gets a decent head-start on shooting you and then you have a penalty to your locking speed to top it all off.

There's nothing "unbalanced" about cloaks. There may be a better way of doing things as Nik Narrel has suggested but breaking valid aspects of wormholes and the scouting role just to appease the whining minority is not the answer.

whats bad now?

cloaking bad?

being afk bad?

both bad bad?

being docked bad, too?

I dont get the problem.

AFK cloaking itself is fine, but with certain methods of hunting the victim has almost no chance to escape. The fairest solution is to remove the -100% sensor recalibration role bonus from all ships capable of fitting a covert ops cloak

You realize that only stealth bombers and black ops have this bonus right? And black ops still have to deal with that goddamn scan resolution penalty. (10 seconds to lock a battleship; ugh) So don't go acting like recons or t3s can just decloak and instalock you.