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Anyone else looking forward to cheap battleship-EHP Cyno ships?
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Pipa Porto
#41 - 2012-07-28 15:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I don't keep up with exhumer prices. How much is a skiff compared to, say, a devoter?


~100m

Procurer is like ~3m and will probably hit 50k EHP.

They're the new Bait Maller.

Lmao no kidding. Perfect subcap bait.


The Skiff can also burn around at 880m/s on a 10mn AB with a point and most of its tank intact (and the Exhumer's natural amazing Scan Res). It's gonna be pretty good funny heavy tackle.

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Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#42 - 2012-07-28 15:13:36 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I don't keep up with exhumer prices. How much is a skiff compared to, say, a devoter?


~100m

Procurer is like ~3m and will probably hit 50k EHP.

They're the new Bait Maller.

Lmao no kidding. Perfect subcap bait.


The Skiff can also burn around at 880m/s on a 10mn AB with a point and most of its tank intact (and the Exhumer's natural amazing Scan Res). It's gonna be pretty good funny heavy tackle.


..still not worth wasting your skillpoints on that tho, but it might be fun having on an alt. P

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Pipa Porto
#43 - 2012-07-28 15:15:05 UTC
Misanth wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I don't keep up with exhumer prices. How much is a skiff compared to, say, a devoter?


~100m

Procurer is like ~3m and will probably hit 50k EHP.

They're the new Bait Maller.

Lmao no kidding. Perfect subcap bait.


The Skiff can also burn around at 880m/s on a 10mn AB with a point and most of its tank intact (and the Exhumer's natural amazing Scan Res). It's gonna be pretty good funny heavy tackle.


..still not worth wasting your skillpoints on that tho, but it might be fun having on an alt. P


I have Exhumers 4 already from my youth as a HS miner.

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Mr M
Sebiestor Tribe
#44 - 2012-07-28 16:17:26 UTC
Yeah, that will surely be the flavour of the month. I can see test and goons go out in large procurer fleets.

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Viziam
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-07-28 17:46:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Random Celestial
Tanked Procurer with Overheat: http://i.imgur.com/6xZe5.jpg

Tank Vs Nyx's Templars: http://i.imgur.com/DblAr.jpg Took over two minutes, not moving.
Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#46 - 2012-07-28 18:26:49 UTC
I don't mind the Procurer being a tough little mining ship, but I"m starting to wonder if CCP is simply trolling the mining community with this stuff.

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Dave stark
#47 - 2012-07-28 18:30:38 UTC
Evei Shard wrote:
I don't mind the Procurer being a tough little mining ship, but I"m starting to wonder if CCP is simply trolling the mining community with this stuff.


no what they've done with cargo bays and mining crystals is trolling.
Pipa Porto
#48 - 2012-07-28 18:43:24 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
I don't mind the Procurer being a tough little mining ship, but I"m starting to wonder if CCP is simply trolling the mining community with this stuff.


no what they've done with cargo bays and mining crystals is trolling.


5 or 11 ores worth of crystals is trolling? (The Hulk's meant to have fleet support)

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Dave stark
#49 - 2012-07-28 18:44:44 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
I don't mind the Procurer being a tough little mining ship, but I"m starting to wonder if CCP is simply trolling the mining community with this stuff.


no what they've done with cargo bays and mining crystals is trolling.


5 or 11 ores worth of crystals is trolling? (The Hulk's meant to have fleet support)


considering the covetor, the t1 variant still has it's 500m3 ore bay....
Pipa Porto
#50 - 2012-07-28 18:49:41 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
I don't mind the Procurer being a tough little mining ship, but I"m starting to wonder if CCP is simply trolling the mining community with this stuff.


no what they've done with cargo bays and mining crystals is trolling.


5 or 11 ores worth of crystals is trolling? (The Hulk's meant to have fleet support)


considering the covetor, the t1 variant still has it's 500m3 cargo bay....


I suspect that might change, but if you're mining a lot of varied small rocks where you need a ton of reloads, sounds like the Covetor has a role.

T1 Crystals would also do it for you.

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Dave stark
#51 - 2012-07-28 18:56:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:
I don't mind the Procurer being a tough little mining ship, but I"m starting to wonder if CCP is simply trolling the mining community with this stuff.


no what they've done with cargo bays and mining crystals is trolling.


5 or 11 ores worth of crystals is trolling? (The Hulk's meant to have fleet support)


considering the covetor, the t1 variant still has it's 500m3 cargo bay....


I suspect that might change, but if you're mining a lot of varied small rocks where you need a ton of reloads, sounds like the Covetor has a role.

T1 Crystals would also do it for you.



t1s are an alternative i suppose.

the covetor on the other hand... gets outmined by the mack.

edit; hit the wrong button on my spreadsheet.

however, why should i be forced to accept less yield because ccp can't separate the ore bay and cargo bays correctly?
Pipa Porto
#52 - 2012-07-28 19:01:37 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


considering the covetor, the t1 variant still has it's 500m3 cargo bay....


I suspect that might change, but if you're mining a lot of varied small rocks where you need a ton of reloads, sounds like the Covetor has a role.

T1 Crystals would also do it for you.



t1's are a joke, the mack with t2 crystals outmines a hulk with t1s. and has more tank, and more cargo.

the covetor on the other hand... also gets outmined by the mack.


Then don't use them. I seem to remember mining crystals lasting quite a while from when I mined. Easily longer than it takes to fill up a Mack (the Mack can hold what, 10-15 cycles? Do you switch every other cycle?).

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Dave stark
#53 - 2012-07-28 19:08:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Dave Stark
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


considering the covetor, the t1 variant still has it's 500m3 cargo bay....


I suspect that might change, but if you're mining a lot of varied small rocks where you need a ton of reloads, sounds like the Covetor has a role.

T1 Crystals would also do it for you.



t1's are a joke, the mack with t2 crystals outmines a hulk with t1s. and has more tank, and more cargo.

the covetor on the other hand... also gets outmined by the mack.


Then don't use them. I seem to remember mining crystals lasting quite a while from when I mined. Easily longer than it takes to fill up a Mack (the Mack can hold what, 10-15 cycles? Do you switch every other cycle?).


that's why t2 crystals are only an issue in the hulk, the other 2 ships need less crystals and dock more often. the fact that the hulk isn't docking up for extended periods of time is why the crystals are an issue.

ccp did reduce the size of them; but also reduced the cargo bay. the size reduction would have been fine if they'd have left the ore bay [like they did in the covetor].

then again the shields aren't showing to be changed in the ship description so who knows what's going on with mining barges right now.

and before you suggest fleet support; you shouldn't need fleet support to fullfil the "highest yield" role. the fleet should only be needed to make it efficient. as it stands the mackinaw will beat a hulk on yield for short mining sessions, not all mining sessions.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#54 - 2012-07-28 19:09:23 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I don't keep up with exhumer prices. How much is a skiff compared to, say, a devoter?


~100m

Procurer is like ~3m and will probably hit 50k EHP.

They're the new Bait Maller.

Lmao no kidding. Perfect subcap bait.


The Skiff can also burn around at 880m/s on a 10mn AB with a point and most of its tank intact (and the Exhumer's natural amazing Scan Res). It's gonna be pretty good funny heavy tackle.


Skiffs are the new HICs (Minus the whole super cap tackling part)

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Pipa Porto
#55 - 2012-07-28 19:13:52 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
and before you suggest fleet support; you shouldn't need fleet support to fullfil the "highest yield" role. the fleet should only be needed to make it efficient. as it stands the mackinaw will beat a hulk on yield for short mining sessions, not all mining sessions.


You don't need fleet support to fulfill the "highest yield" role. Just to do it efficiently. You're free to warp to station when it's time for your 4th different ore (1 Ore in the Lasers, 2 Ores in the Hold, that's 3 Ores before you need a refit).

Or you can use your fleet support to drop it off.

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Dave stark
#56 - 2012-07-28 19:18:09 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
and before you suggest fleet support; you shouldn't need fleet support to fullfil the "highest yield" role. the fleet should only be needed to make it efficient. as it stands the mackinaw will beat a hulk on yield for short mining sessions, not all mining sessions.


You don't need fleet support to fulfill the "highest yield" role. Just to do it efficiently. You're free to warp to station when it's time for your 4th different ore (1 Ore in the Lasers, 2 Ores in the Hold, that's 3 Ores before you need a refit).

Or you can use your fleet support to drop it off.


but if you're going to be warping too and fro the station then you may as well be in a mackinaw. the hulk isn't inefficient in a solo situation; it's redundant.
Alara IonStorm
#57 - 2012-07-28 19:21:16 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
then you may as well be in a mackinaw. the hulk isn't inefficient in a solo situation; it's redundant.

You might say it is entirely a fleet miner...
Dave stark
#58 - 2012-07-28 19:23:40 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
then you may as well be in a mackinaw. the hulk isn't inefficient in a solo situation; it's redundant.

You might say it is entirely a fleet miner...

which i think is an issue. without the crystal consideration the mackinaw ***** all over the hulk in terms of getting ore from the belt to the station as a solo miner for short sessions. the hulk only shines when you're out in a belt for extended periods of time (think some where around the 60-90 min mark if you're using a t1 hauler)

so you go from "well how long have i got to mine?" to just going "well time to jump in the mackinaw" without any thought, just like people do with the hulk now.
Pipa Porto
#59 - 2012-07-28 19:39:07 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
then you may as well be in a mackinaw. the hulk isn't inefficient in a solo situation; it's redundant.

You might say it is entirely a fleet miner...

which i think is an issue. without the crystal consideration the mackinaw ***** all over the hulk in terms of getting ore from the belt to the station as a solo miner for short sessions. the hulk only shines when you're out in a belt for extended periods of time (think some where around the 60-90 min mark if you're using a t1 hauler)

so you go from "well how long have i got to mine?" to just going "well time to jump in the mackinaw" without any thought, just like people do with the hulk now.


That's the point. The Hulk should outshine the Mack IF and only IF it has support from OTHER pilots.

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Pipa Porto
#60 - 2012-07-28 19:40:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Dave stark wrote:
but if you're going to be warping too and fro the station then you may as well be in a mackinaw. the hulk isn't inefficient in a solo situation; it's redundant.


The Hulk is supposed to be inefficient in a Solo situation. Since its only value is efficiency, being inefficient in a situation makes it bad for the situation. The Solo miner is better off in a Skiff or Mackinaw. Because those ships are designed to appeal to the Solo miner.

Fly the right ship for your Situation.

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