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CCP Should Do To Everyone Else What They Did To Miners

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#81 - 2012-07-28 13:12:47 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Xython wrote:

As for the "Nullsec alliances don't use bots" claptrap, here's the important difference between Nullsec and Highsec Botters:

When a Nullsec idiot is botting, he's shot. Often by blues. Because he's botting and AFK, he's easy pickings. His **** is taken from him, sold or used elsewhere, and when he comes back to the keyboard he's either the subject of mockery or outright kicked from the corp he's in.



When a nullsec idiot is botting, he's in a blued renter alliance where everybody know about him and pretend to look the other side. All the land owners care about are the billions they can monthly charge to close 1, 2 and even 3 eyes.


I don't know what alliances you've been in that have looked the other way at botters, but the ones I've joined over the years encourage everyone to repeatedly kill them before they're kicked.

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Rico Minali
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2012-07-28 13:14:34 UTC
Your post is, quite simply, the most idiotic I have seen to do with these changes.

Combat ships are already statted in such a way as to favour certain ways of flying. This is simply the same thing but for miners. Jerk.

Trust me, I almost know what I'm doing.
EvEa Deva
Doomheim
#83 - 2012-07-28 13:29:51 UTC  |  Edited by: EvEa Deva
Your tears make the grass grow, your emo rage cuts the grass, perfect balance, good job CCP

Silly miners everyone super tanks every ship they fly..... all tank, no gank thats the eve way
The D1ngo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#84 - 2012-07-28 13:37:51 UTC
Rico Minali wrote:
Your post is, quite simply, the most idiotic I have seen to do with these changes.

Combat ships are already statted in such a way as to favour certain ways of flying. This is simply the same thing but for miners. Jerk.



I like the way you think!

+1
The D1ngo
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#85 - 2012-07-28 13:41:06 UTC
Random Celestial wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.


According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.


Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?


Oh, its a cost issue? Then what do you say to the miners that take exception to having their 200 mil. ship destroyed by a destroyer worth 2 mil? Weak argument is weak...
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#86 - 2012-07-28 15:27:39 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
The D1ngo wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.


According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.


Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?


Oh, its a cost issue? Then what do you say to the miners that take exception to having their 200 mil. ship destroyed by a destroyer worth 2 mil? Weak argument is weak...


Your hulk can be killed by 2mil ship? It takes 3 Nados to kill mine, and that's if I don't start moving. they all do 9k damage each, and I'm unlucky.

Edit, I also get 1.8m3 x3 per cycle, per ship

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
marVLs
#87 - 2012-07-28 15:45:20 UTC
Why should miners fit thier ships for max EHP? Everyone fit ships for maximum of it's role, so mining barges and exhumers should be fitted for max yield.
Do You fit Your PVP ship with max cargo because you will take loot from wrecks? So STFU already, pathetic gankers cry because they can't kill defenseless, not moving targets in HS...Lol Why, why so many id...s in such a brilliant game? Roll
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#88 - 2012-07-28 16:11:00 UTC
marVLs wrote:
Why should miners fit thier ships for max EHP? Everyone fit ships for maximum of it's role, so mining barges and exhumers should be fitted for max yield.
Do You fit Your PVP ship with max cargo because you will take loot from wrecks? So STFU already, pathetic gankers cry because they can't kill defenseless, not moving targets in HS...Lol Why, why so many id...s in such a brilliant game? Roll



Let me explain this to you. I'll try to use small words.

If a PVPer solo flew a ship. Lets say the Dominix, or even the Moros. Now, this PVPer decides he doesn't want to fit a tank. Why should he, he's not a Space Paladin, he's a Space Rogue! So what our intrepid paint eating Space Rogue does is he fits a pure damage fit.

I'd give you an example but there literally aren't even any joke examples of this fit out there. Maybe all rails in the highs, mids would be all cap recharger 2s and omni trackings, and the lows all drone damage mods. Something like that. Hell, lets say Lasers in the highs, just because lasers are cool, right?

Anyway, our dashing paste eating Space Rogue flies forth, attacking a nefarious neutral or red "mob," and promptly gets his ass spanked, his ship destroyed, his pod launched into the nearest rock, and he gets a laughing imgur meme made about him.

Now said special needs Space Rogue is infuriated! He rushes forth to whine to CCP and the forums about how he chose to play as a space rogue, and thus the game should be adjusted so he could play like that...

... and is quickly called a ponce, a complete arseface, a dumbass of the highest caliber. Because obviously he is, right?

Now the difference between our pants on head "honourable" space rogue and the average Highsec Miner bot is that the Highsec Miner gets CCP to make him invincible while using these kinds of stupid, stupid ship fits.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#89 - 2012-07-28 16:38:45 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!


This is an example of why these forums need a dislike button

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#90 - 2012-07-28 16:43:57 UTC
The D1ngo wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.


According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.


Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?


Oh, its a cost issue? Then what do you say to the miners that take exception to having their 200 mil. ship destroyed by a destroyer worth 2 mil? Weak argument is weak...


I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
flakeys
Doomheim
#91 - 2012-07-28 16:47:28 UTC  |  Edited by: flakeys
HTFU and adapt or die has never been more appropriate Lol

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
Gun Gal
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#92 - 2012-07-28 16:57:11 UTC
Griefer tears are bestest tears.
Dave Stark
#93 - 2012-07-28 16:59:22 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The D1ngo wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.


According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.


Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?


Oh, its a cost issue? Then what do you say to the miners that take exception to having their 200 mil. ship destroyed by a destroyer worth 2 mil? Weak argument is weak...


I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate.


and the t1 frigate would manage that in under 60 seconds? this is where your argument falls down every time. the fact that it happens isn't the issue; the fact that it happens so quickly is the issue,
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#94 - 2012-07-28 17:24:39 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
Griefer tears are bestest tears.


CCP could announce bankruptcy tomorrow and half these forums would celebrate because it would **** off Goonswarm and the other PVPers.

Pathetic, ignorant, spiteful children.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#95 - 2012-07-28 17:26:08 UTC
It's unbelievable how much lul-gankers can whine and cry when they're not busy ridiculing those darn "whiny crybaby carebears" Blink.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#96 - 2012-07-28 17:28:05 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Xython wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
Griefer tears are bestest tears.


CCP could announce bankruptcy tomorrow and half these forums would celebrate because it would **** off Goonswarm and the other PVPers.

Pathetic, ignorant, spiteful children.


Funny, I immediately thought of your leader when you said "pathetic, ignorant, spiteful", given his infamy in spewing hateful and ignorant vitriol against carebears.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Alara IonStorm
#97 - 2012-07-28 17:29:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Malcanis wrote:

I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate.

Are you saying a well piloted T1 Frigate can not take out these Mining Barges in the same way a well piloted T1 Frigate takes down these Battleships?
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#98 - 2012-07-28 17:32:31 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Malcanis wrote:

I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate.

Are you saying a well piloted T1 Frigate can not take out these Mining Barges in the same way a well Piloted T1 Fritage takes down these Battleships?


If they weren't defended by magical super-police ships, sure.
MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#99 - 2012-07-28 17:32:42 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
The D1ngo wrote:
Random Celestial wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
Goonswarm has no ratting bots. Sorry, but we don't. We don't even allow people to talk about stuff that's against the EULA. If you think otherwise, you can report any bot in game by a simple right click, I welcome you to do so, so I can laugh at you.

And even if you were doing ratting in nullsec at the absolute most absurd rate, you wouldn't hit 1b per hour. That's 334 million per tick. That's about 280m more a tick than I've ever seen someone hit, even the most obsessed PVErs around me with capital ship support.

Get a goddamned clue. When you say stupid **** like that you are just showing off that you have no, absolutely no clue what you're talking about.


According to stats on SiSi untanked Hulk has ~9500 EHP. It's still possible to gank in hisec.

Fyi, brick tanked Damnation and Proteus can be ganked in hisec too. You just need to bring more dps. EVE is MMO after all. Deal with it.


Brick-tanked Procurer costs ~15 mil or so tops.

Brick-tanked Damnation is ~200-300mil.

See the problem?


Oh, its a cost issue? Then what do you say to the miners that take exception to having their 200 mil. ship destroyed by a destroyer worth 2 mil? Weak argument is weak...


I'd tell them that a 300m fitted fleet battleship can be taken out by a well piloted T1 frigate.

Malc, in all fairness you're kind of proving his point.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#100 - 2012-07-28 17:32:44 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Xython wrote:
Gun Gal wrote:
Griefer tears are bestest tears.


CCP could announce bankruptcy tomorrow and half these forums would celebrate because it would **** off Goonswarm and the other PVPers.

Pathetic, ignorant, spiteful children.


Funny, I immediately thought of your leader when you said "pathetic, ignorant, spiteful", given his infamy in spewing hateful and ignorant vitriol against carebears.


Example, please?