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CCP Should Do To Everyone Else What They Did To Miners

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Ziranda Hakuli
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2012-07-28 04:52:24 UTC
Funny reading all these threads enjoying the free mug of tears but i can only drink so much. and this kinda reminded of some of the old days where the hulk was dangerous. as time went on they slowly became easily killed. Maybe it has to do with the new era of hulk pilots and their greed and not wanting to think i might get ganked. An old story when a carebear had enough yes its true The Pilots battle Record

You can google for more action on the Hulk kicking ass but as time runs by in Eve it is slowly out matched but even now with the new tech toys it may just be interesting to try. hmmm.

Yes i do agree the Exhumers/barges needed some love. They got it. now the big question remains. will the hulk pilots get their head out of their ass to figure out how to tank it so gankers cry even hard?

Sad to say. i foresee many more dieing.

Until then this Mug of Tears is on me kids
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#42 - 2012-07-28 05:04:34 UTC
mug rejected.

Signature removed for inappropriate language - CCP Eterne
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#43 - 2012-07-28 07:06:40 UTC
Countess Lamorei wrote:
Why the change.. because ccp enjoys tears more than anyone else, clearly miners tears werent enough so they went for there opposite and decided for 2012 they will harvest ganker tears, which from the forums are much more abundant and tasty than anything miners can produce.


Griefer tears are bestest tears.

And the best part of it, is that they inflicted it on themselves by finding the best most proficent way to gank miners in flagrant abuse of CCP's unreal specs for miner ships.

Now that miner ships will belong to New Eden and not Hello kitty Online, gankers cry out loud and flood the forums with tears... well then, HTFU and go fight someone your size for a change, crybabies! Lol

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
Dave stark
#44 - 2012-07-28 07:08:53 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!


the problem is your raven would run out of ammo after killing 2 rats, your rokh would end up killing 1 rat then do nothing for 4 hours as the owner would be afk, and the scorpion would do anemic levels of dps so you could only run level 2s in it.
vyshnegradsky
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#45 - 2012-07-28 07:26:05 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!


Show us on the doll where the naughty mining barges touched you.

This one's a bit over the edge guys.

Locked for breaking... well, pretty much all the rules.

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Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#46 - 2012-07-28 07:36:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Barbara Nichole
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!


hats back on, an idiot.

All CCP did was do a very long over due rebalance of barges. T2 Exhumers now have between half and full EHP of a T1 battlecruiser.. I'm sorry if that chaps your hide. Rokh should get the same cargo as any of the exhumers..500m3. The other ships mentioned dont need anything... but hey, if you want them to have mining bonuses great!

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Bunnie Hop
Bunny Knights
#47 - 2012-07-28 07:37:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Bunnie Hop
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!


Parents, don't let your kids do drugs or they may end up making posts like the OP!
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#48 - 2012-07-28 07:43:14 UTC
Bunnie Hop wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!

Let's take a look at the new and improved Caldari, for example.

Raven - Max DPS
Rokh - Max cargo hold
Scorpion - Max EHP (who needs ECM bonus? that's too hard)

Bring it on CCP!


Parents, don't let your kids do drugs or they may end up making posts like the OP!


My drugs resent that comment.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2012-07-28 07:48:27 UTC
Roll Sizzle Beef wrote:
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
They already have roles for which their stats and bonuses already lean them towards. So nothing would change.


So did the barges and exhumers.

All miners saw was "this one haz moar yieldz" so they ignored those.


Mercoxit ship, ice ship and everything else ship was super enriching.


Super my formerly bikini clad butt! They've reduced the yield for special roles, minimzed cargo holds (500m3 or so) -took away the ability to expand ore containment by turning them into ore holds. yes they uped the base tank on all ships .. with a small increase in shield for the hulk and a decrease in structure. Everything else was bumped up; it's about time they were rebalanced. As I have said before the exhumers are getting a base EHP boost to about the level of a T1 battlecrusier.. (hulk only half a battlecruiser)

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2012-07-28 08:18:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Ziranda Hakuli wrote:
Funny reading all these threads enjoying the free mug of tears but i can only drink so much. and this kinda reminded of some of the old days where the hulk was dangerous. as time went on they slowly became easily killed. Maybe it has to do with the new era of hulk pilots and their greed and not wanting to think i might get ganked. An old story when a carebear had enough yes its true The Pilots battle Record


Two words: NOS nerf
Go ahead and try that now. Be prepared to lose your Hulk.

Looks like some gankers just don't get it. This is part of much bigger change to come. http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129

All the pvpers beware when the mighty Ferox strikes back. (I know you used to laugh at everyone who flew it).
Pisov viet
Perkone
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-07-28 08:22:20 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships

Well, maybe because they are.

If miners wanted to be able to fit their ship by themselve, maybe they shouldnt have created dozens of threads on the forums on the "I cant fit my ship to save my life" variation.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#52 - 2012-07-28 08:25:16 UTC
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.

Since it's obvious that EVE is headed in this direction, CCP should just redo all the ships that way!



Apparently reading CCP's Tiericide devblog was too hard as well, so we get threads completely missing the point like this one.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#53 - 2012-07-28 08:26:10 UTC
Pisov viet wrote:
Well, maybe because they are.

If miners wanted to be able to fit their ship by themselve, maybe they shouldnt have created dozens of threads on the forums on the "I cant fit my ship to save my life" variation.


http://community.eveonline.com/devblog.asp?a=blog&nbid=9129

Seriously, when was the last time you saw Procurer mining in hisec and you didn't laugh?
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#54 - 2012-07-28 08:31:36 UTC  |  Edited by: sYnc Vir
Boxless wrote:
http://i.imgur.com/x7d0o.jpg


Doesn't the new skiff/procurer get a Passive Regen bonus built into the hull, like a drake? If so, would be interested in seeing the recharge on a T2 Purger SPR II Tanked one. I imagine the Skiff with its Hit Points and Resist bonuses would enter the world of lul and on to that magically land of Trolololololololol....etc.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2012-07-28 08:35:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
Suddenly Forums ForumKings wrote:
Since, apparently, fitting a ship is too gosh darn hard CCP has insulted all miners by decreeing they are too stupid to fit their ships, so they've prefit them by modifying hulls.


But as we've seen time and time again, Miners ARE too stupid to fit their own ships.

This isn't news: after all, the average miner still mines in a Hulk (a PVP Nullsec Mining ship designed for group mining) and fits for 100% yield, even if that destroys his EHP. And then goes AFK while mining with a bot, to boot.

These mining ship changes won't affect anything, in fact. The miners will still fit the best yield with the best yield fitting, to hell with any tank. Yeah, they'll lose ships here and there, but they're running bot accounts and mining 23.5x7, they really don't care.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#56 - 2012-07-28 08:41:51 UTC
Xython wrote:
But as we've seen time and time again, Miners ARE too stupid to fit their own ships.

This isn't news: after all, the average miner still mines in a Hulk (a PVP Nullsec Mining ship designed for group mining) and fits for 100% yield, even if that destroys his EHP. And then goes AFK while mining with a bot, to boot.

These mining ship changes won't affect anything, in fact. The miners will still fit the best yield with the best yield fitting, to hell with any tank. Yeah, they'll lose ships here and there, but they're running bot accounts and mining 23.5x7, they really don't care.


Nullsec alliances don't use bots... Roll
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#57 - 2012-07-28 08:56:42 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
But as we've seen time and time again, Miners ARE too stupid to fit their own ships.

This isn't news: after all, the average miner still mines in a Hulk (a PVP Nullsec Mining ship designed for group mining) and fits for 100% yield, even if that destroys his EHP. And then goes AFK while mining with a bot, to boot.

These mining ship changes won't affect anything, in fact. The miners will still fit the best yield with the best yield fitting, to hell with any tank. Yeah, they'll lose ships here and there, but they're running bot accounts and mining 23.5x7, they really don't care.


Nullsec alliances don't use bots... Roll



Don't explain it too him. Everyone knows all high sec miners are bots. Cause no one could possibly enjoy the goal of gaining minerals for the profits made from selling ships they themselves have made.RollRoll

Its like if someone made a game where you craft things you from stuff you mine.... Na, no one would play I game like that ever. Silly me.

FYI, for those on the "EVE is a PVP game." Since when was pvp'ing killing someone? PVP means Player verses player. Last time I checked the market it was full of players competing with one another to sell stuff. Market, Build, Research and Fighting all have areas of pvp. Please remove yourself of the opinion all pvp requires the exploding of someones ship. It only shows your total lack of common sense and understanding. Eve is an expansive game with many many different areas of game play. Just because you have chosen to limit yourself to one tiny part of eve, doesn't mean everyone else has.

Destroy > Harvest > Craft > Destroy > Harvest > Craft.

CCP told you that at Fan Fest. Try learning it.

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Dubstepcat
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#58 - 2012-07-28 09:08:20 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:



Don't explain it too him. Everyone knows all high sec miners are bots. Cause no one could possibly enjoy the goal of gaining minerals for the profits made from selling ships they themselves have made.RollRoll

Its like if someone made a game where you craft things you from stuff you mine.... Na, no one would play I game like that ever. Silly me.

FYI, for those on the "EVE is a PVP game." Since when was pvp'ing killing someone? PVP means Player verses player. Last time I checked the market it was full of players competing with one another to sell stuff. Market, Build, Research and Fighting all have areas of pvp. Please remove yourself of the opinion all pvp requires the exploding of someones ship. It only shows your total lack of common sense and understanding. Eve is an expansive game with many many different areas of game play. Just because you have chosen to limit yourself to one tiny part of eve, doesn't mean everyone else has.

Destroy > Harvest > Craft > Destroy > Harvest > Craft.

CCP told you that at Fan Fest. Try learning it.





This.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#59 - 2012-07-28 09:11:13 UTC
sYnc Vir wrote:
Don't explain it too him. Everyone knows all high sec miners are bots. Cause no one could possibly enjoy the goal of gaining minerals for the profits made from selling ships they themselves have made.RollRoll

Its like if someone made a game where you craft things you from stuff you mine.... Na, no one would play I game like that ever. Silly me.

FYI, for those on the "EVE is a PVP game." Since when was pvp'ing killing someone? PVP means Player verses player. Last time I checked the market it was full of players competing with one another to sell stuff. Market, Build, Research and Fighting all have areas of pvp. Please remove yourself of the opinion all pvp requires the exploding of someones ship. It only shows your total lack of common sense and understanding. Eve is an expansive game with many many different areas of game play. Just because you have chosen to limit yourself to one tiny part of eve, doesn't mean everyone else has.

Destroy > Harvest > Craft > Destroy > Harvest > Craft.

CCP told you that at Fan Fest. Try learning it.


Translation: I can't gank Skiffs and Procurers in hisec anymore. Waaah, Whaaah
Xython
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2012-07-28 09:17:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Xython
sYnc Vir wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Xython wrote:
But as we've seen time and time again, Miners ARE too stupid to fit their own ships.

This isn't news: after all, the average miner still mines in a Hulk (a PVP Nullsec Mining ship designed for group mining) and fits for 100% yield, even if that destroys his EHP. And then goes AFK while mining with a bot, to boot.

These mining ship changes won't affect anything, in fact. The miners will still fit the best yield with the best yield fitting, to hell with any tank. Yeah, they'll lose ships here and there, but they're running bot accounts and mining 23.5x7, they really don't care.


Nullsec alliances don't use bots... Roll



Don't explain it too him. Everyone knows all high sec miners are bots. Cause no one could possibly enjoy the goal of gaining minerals for the profits made from selling ships they themselves have made.RollRoll

Its like if someone made a game where you craft things you from stuff you mine.... Na, no one would play I game like that ever. Silly me.

FYI, for those on the "EVE is a PVP game." Since when was pvp'ing killing someone? PVP means Player verses player. Last time I checked the market it was full of players competing with one another to sell stuff. Market, Build, Research and Fighting all have areas of pvp. Please remove yourself of the opinion all pvp requires the exploding of someones ship. It only shows your total lack of common sense and understanding. Eve is an expansive game with many many different areas of game play. Just because you have chosen to limit yourself to one tiny part of eve, doesn't mean everyone else has.

Destroy > Harvest > Craft > Destroy > Harvest > Craft.

CCP told you that at Fan Fest. Try learning it.


Except to compete with the Bot Miners, you have to either:

1. Bot Mine
2. Play like a Bot.

And rather than disrupt this cycle in any way, CCP is pandering to the bots. Again.

As for the "Nullsec alliances don't use bots" claptrap, here's the important difference between Nullsec and Highsec Botters:

When a Nullsec idiot is botting, he's shot. Often by blues. Because he's botting and AFK, he's easy pickings. His **** is taken from him, sold or used elsewhere, and when he comes back to the keyboard he's either the subject of mockery or outright kicked from the corp he's in.

When a Highsec idiot is botting, a magical super-ship police force shows up to protect him. Now, the community can still deal with these idiots, but only at a large investment of time and ships -- and the ships have to be replaced, which directly supports the ecosystem that causes the botters in the first place.

Oh, and did I mention that CCP seem to be hell bent on making this magical super-ship police force stronger, and making the bots even harder to kill? Why? Because the botters pay for 23+ accounts and they're worth more than us.

CCP could fix this stuff today.

A Captcha on mining modules.

Lawsuits for known EVE Bot services -- since all EVE Bot programs are subscription based, that means there's a client server architecture that CCP could have shut down, killing all the bot users who use that client.

Redesign the mining interface so it's fun enough that people wouldn't spend thousands of dollars trying to not play the game.

But they won't, because bot miners (and remember, you're either a bot miner in EVE, or you're forced to ACT JUST LIKE ONE to survive) are entitled, lazy jackasses who would rather the entire game be redesigned rather than they have to adjust their gameplay in any insignificant way.