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The skill gap

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Tatyana3033
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-07-27 16:53:11 UTC
So I've been playing eve for a few months now after a long break. A lot of things seem familiar but afew have changed. No big deal really. The big problem I'm having is that my skill sets don't seem to enable me to do all the things I'd like to.

I'm struggling to finish level 3 missions in a battle cruiser while a friend of mine is already doing level 4 missions after a shorter time. I'm having a hard time making isk while others are making millions and buying more and more awesome ships.

I'm starting to feel that the way to play eve is to not play at all but just train skills until they all reach level 5? Finding it had to figure out what to do here to progress in the game.
gfldex
#2 - 2012-07-27 17:20:22 UTC
Tatyana3033 wrote:

I'm struggling to finish level 3 missions in a battle cruiser while a friend of mine is already doing level 4 missions after a shorter time.


Is a contradiction to:

Tatyana3033 wrote:

I'm starting to feel that the way to play eve is to not play at all but just train skills until they all reach level 5?

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Tatyana3033
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2012-07-27 17:23:22 UTC
Read what I said a few times more..
Traejun DiSanctis
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-27 17:26:01 UTC
There are plenty of people out there that do exactly what you are suggesting: buy a 6 month or year sub, log on only to update training queue, and then buy PLEX for ships/mods when you hit ~10-15m SP.

That fine if that's the way you want to play. Totally up to you.

If you want good advice, it's simple: Play. The. *******. Game. You will learn as you play. By the time you reach the above skill plateau, you'll be prepared to fly the ships you want to fly. In the interim, you'll learn the basics about the game.

This is not WoW or SWToR. This is a complex, involved game. The skill gap is enormous, but the skill/knowledge curve is even bigger. Only way to close that gap is to play.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#5 - 2012-07-27 17:28:03 UTC
Getting Trade to V will not instantly make you millions on the market.
Getting Battleship to V will not make you a PVP god
Getting Production Efficiency V will not make you a market-moving industrial powerhouse.

They are merely tools. How much you benefit from them is entirely up to you. While it is true that training up to get some of the more focused and specialized tools takes awhile... they won't take the place of actual in-game skill, regardless of what it is you want to do.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Rinnve Elennean
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-07-27 17:31:04 UTC
Please post more info so we can probably see what's wrong. Like, what BC are you flying and what fit.

For now, I can assure you that you absolutely do not all-5 skills for being successfull both in PVE and PVP (that means you can do something useful, not that you can 1-on-1 attack much older character and win, although even this can be possible under certain circumstances).
Tatyana3033
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-07-27 17:32:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Tatyana3033
True, but is there any way to enjoy that game while still at low level? I thought of doing the level 2 missions again or moving onto some thing such as research missions, until I'm able to do the level 3 missions. Also are there any skills which make the level 3 missions a lot easier? I know it can't be the ships because they are recommended by other people:-

Harbinger
Prophecy

The problem I have is that when I fly in I get hit by 6 ships firing heavy missiles and I'm not able to destroy enough of them before they destroy my armour.

Another missions I tried is to fly and attack the Gallente ambassador. He is say between about 10 minmitar ships and 10 Gallente ships which open fire on approach. I'm fitting a t2 armour rep and some mission specific hardeners and still I can't tank all these ships. Pulse lasers only have a range of around 20 meters max and beam lasers 35. So other than my skill level I can't see why I can't tank these ships Sad
Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-07-27 17:47:20 UTC
Tatyana3033 wrote:
So I've been playing eve for a few months now after a long break. A lot of things seem familiar but afew have changed. No big deal really. The big problem I'm having is that my skill sets don't seem to enable me to do all the things I'd like to.

I'm struggling to finish level 3 missions in a battle cruiser while a friend of mine is already doing level 4 missions after a shorter time. I'm having a hard time making isk while others are making millions and buying more and more awesome ships.

I'm starting to feel that the way to play eve is to not play at all but just train skills until they all reach level 5? Finding it had to figure out what to do here to progress in the game.


Too many people fall into this trap, I am guilty of it myself. Don't play the game just to make isk, yes isk is needed for shinies, but there is always a balance.

If your friend is running level 4's in a shorter time and you are still having issues with level 3's, talk to them, find out what they trained that maybe you missed that would make things easier on you. Remember things that while fitting and support skills are important you need to be able to kill stuff as well. So making sure you are getting say your turrret support skills such as motion prediction and sharpshooter up to level 3-4.

The main thing is patience, play to have fun, if you treat the game as a treadmill you will burn out quickly.

PS
If you are having issues with your missions, post your fit, maybe we can help get it cleaned up, or even use something like EveBoard to post your skills and ask for advice an what direction you can look at heading. Something as simple as optimizing your ship fit can have a huge impact on missions.
Tatyana3033
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-07-27 17:54:53 UTC
Hi I tried eveboard its awesome :) Heres the skills I have currently:

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Tatyana3033
Equus
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-07-27 18:29:40 UTC
Tatyana3033 wrote:
Hi I tried eveboard its awesome :) Heres the skills I have currently:

http://eveboard.com/pilot/Tatyana3033


I am no guru, but a couple things that could help, look at getting Trajectory Analysis in Gunnery, this should help your damage projection, surgical strike is good too. Also get your base gun skill to 4, so for BC's Medium Energy Weapons to 4.

Since I am assuming you use drones, get Drone Interfacing and train it up to 4, it is a significant damage boost.

Battlecruisers 4 should be on your list as well if that is what you want to fly.

Getting those skills up should not take very long, maybe a week and a bit? (not taking them to 5). Then go back and start shoring up your fitting and support skills, especially your capacitor skills if you are flying Amarr. One those skills are up to 4-5 then go back and start looking at your combat skills again, getting them up for t2, or move onto battleships and train up Large Energy Weapon. I do not recommend going into a battleship until you have better skills though, they cost a good chunk of change as a beginner, and if you can't/don't know how to fit it, you will lose it.

That is what I would do anyway, you should also post your fit if you have it handy.
Zoe Athame
Don't Lose Your Way
#11 - 2012-07-27 18:39:15 UTC
You're currently training Caldari Frigate which won't help you do missions any faster. You need T2 guns and gunnery support skills.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#12 - 2012-07-27 18:53:50 UTC
Might we also see what your ship fitting is?

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Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#13 - 2012-07-27 18:56:32 UTC
Don't go for L5s unless you need them for something (equipment or another skill)

Eve is heavily based on the idea of diminishing returns. It's better to pick up a different level 1 skill giving a 5% bonus, than level 5 in a skill which gives the same bonus. Because you'll end up with 126%. They don't just add together. They multiply. And it'll take a /fraction/ of the time.

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Tatyana3033
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-07-27 19:05:44 UTC
Oona Kasenumi
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-07-27 19:35:47 UTC
I will leave it to Amarr pilots to comment on your fit, but in which faction space are you running missions? Amarr shoot EM/Therm, so if you are running missions against, for example, Serpentis you may be having a hard time because you are dealing the wrong damage type.

Eve Damage types

If your are using lasers you want to be running missions in Amarr space, so you can shoot at Blood/Sansha most, if not all of the time.


As far as the skill gap goes; the best way to play eve is to find a great corp. Eve is a social game, and there is a reason it is very hard to do anything by yourself. If you are in a corp with a group of people who are super worried about isk/hour to the point they won't let you tag along on their level 4s, your in a bad corp, in my opinion. Those are the type of people you will get burnt out playing with.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#16 - 2012-07-27 20:25:15 UTC
Tatyana3033 wrote:

Get a Harbinger. The Prophecy is not know for it's damage dealing abilities. The more damage your can deal at a longer range, the less you'll need to actually use your tank.

Also... never stop moving (or let webs grab you for too long). Moving around mitigates some of the incoming damage.
Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#17 - 2012-07-27 20:30:10 UTC
I spent most of my first month trading in stations which proved to be very lucrative and doing simple high sec distribution missions until level 4 missions were unlocked. I enjoy trading and am less than a week away in training from having a Viator with level 4 cloaking!

Once I hit level 4 missions one of my distribution storyline agents offered me the Shipyard Theft mission, and considering the mining foreman mindlink reward easily sells in Jita for 1,000,000,000 ISK I clicked accept before noticing it was a combat mission.

So I bought a expensive ship and loaded it with gear and managed to finish the mission with only a few minutes left for the bonus ISK. While combat is really not my sort of thing I will do it for a billion ISK. Until then my Navy Battleships (which I have minimum skills to pilot) will remain in the garage with the rest of my collection.

I am now hitting two months and while my combat skills I did this mission again with a slightly better fit which took me a bit less time than it did my first time. People say that a Navy Dominix works on this mission better than the Navy Megathron, but considering I have barely any drone skills I took the Megthron. I have no idea how the Shipyard Theft mission compares in difficulty or rewards to any other level 2-4 security missions, but it can be done solo after about a month if you have a decent fitting and a few hours to spare. I would imagine it would be even easier if you focus on combat skills, since I am mainly social trade skill based.
gfldex
#18 - 2012-07-27 21:05:32 UTC
Oona Kasenumi wrote:
I will leave it to Amarr pilots to comment on your fit


Pure tank in a Proph is not going to do any damage. Esp. with such low gunnery skills. The OP tries to avoid skilling skill to lvl4, that wont work. Quite frankly, the OP would do better in lvl2 missions with those skills. A drake with 3.8MSP (well focused ofc) got no problem. Amarr need a little more SP to make lvl3s easy.

If you take all the sand out of the box, only the cat poo will remain.

Celeste Taylor
Ruby Dynasty
#19 - 2012-07-27 21:50:59 UTC
I just compared our skill sets on Eve Board, and you have more a good amount more SP than me, so you should be able to do level 4s with a better fitting. Maybe save some money and spring for a Navy version. Get a small loan from your friend or team up. Also focusing your skills on combat, get your navigation up, at least past your industry SP total.

Like I mentioned above I am not very versed on combat missions, but Shipyard Theft gave me 6 hours to complete, so I took my time. I went back to stations to recharge my shields, made sure that my damage never made it to the hull, took a few trade breaks, etc.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#20 - 2012-07-28 02:55:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
For what it is worth, I was doing level 4 missions in a battlecruiser (drake) with level 2-3 ship and weapon skills, and level 4 defensive skills.

I then moved into a battleship (raven) and lost it the next day, because of my inexperience, not lack of skill. I made a really stupid mistake.

Learned a lot from that loss though (never lost the replacement raven). Years passed before I lost another ship in PvE (lost a navy raven when I got disconnected).

Use what skills you have now. Train skills to help you do better now, not in a year. If you are not having fun now, you are doing it wrong.
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