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Am I ready to solo L4's?

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Lijah Sai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-07-27 10:53:17 UTC
If not, how long til I am?

Cruse missile spec.: L4
Cruise missile:L5(obviously)
guided missile precision: L3
Missile Bombardment: L3
Missile launcher operation: L5
Missile projection: L3
rapid launch:L4, soon to be L5
Target navigation prediction: L3
Warhead upgrades: L3

Caldari BS: L4

Caldari navy raven fit:
(need advice here I think)
Top:7x cruise missile launcher II w/ inferno, mjolnir, nova and scourge missiles all available (all tech 2)

mid: 10mn MWD, Cap recharger II, target painter I, 2x adaptive invulnerability field I, larger shield booster I

Bot: 4x Ballistic control system II, Co processor II

Rigs: 3x Large warhead rigor catalyst I

drones are tech 1 only, let me know if you need to know any more skills, thanks in advance.
General Koen
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-07-27 11:28:15 UTC
What's your dps?

And what are your tanking skills?
Bibosikus
Air
#3 - 2012-07-27 11:30:08 UTC
I know nothing of Raven fits except that I don't think fitting a 10mn MWD is a good ideaBlink
And your shield tank looks pretty flimsy. Drop a Ballistic Control for a Damage Control, at least until you've tasted L4's and know what to expect.
You seem to have focussed your training more on dps and less on support skills. Now is definitely the time to switch. T2 shield hardeners, shield skills and engineering so you can drop that Co-Pro.



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Lijah Sai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2012-07-27 11:35:26 UTC
Bibosikus wrote:
I know nothing of Raven fits except that I don't think fitting a 10mn MWD is a good ideaBlink
And your shield tank looks pretty flimsy. Drop a Ballistic Control for a Damage Control, at least until you've tasted L4's and know what to expect.
You seem to have focussed your training more on dps and less on support skills. Now is definitely the time to switch. T2 shield hardeners, shield skills and engineering so you can drop that Co-Pro.





That was a typo, 100 mwd, my bad, I'll get my other skills for you
Lijah Sai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2012-07-27 11:40:02 UTC
My dps WITHOUT drone is 608.1

Shield management L3
Shield operation L3
Shield upgrades L3
Tac. shield manipulation L2

any others you need to know, or you'd recommend adding, I'd rather be a passive shield tank concentrating on high DPS than anything else.
Klymer
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-07-27 11:57:12 UTC
Charlie don't surf and Ravens don't passive tank. You want a T2 XL Shield booster and rat specific T2 shield hardeners at a minimum, use faction/deadspace mods as you can afford them. CNR is worth fitting CN BCS mods on and drop the mwd for a nice 100mn AB, the Domination one is a good match. A Domination target painter would round out the mid slot lineup nicely.
Zicon Shak'ra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-07-27 12:46:13 UTC
Training tanking skills is priority over training damage. You have T2 cruise launchers, yet a T1 shield boosters. This makes me sad.

Wormholes are cool, m'kay?

Lijah Sai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-07-27 12:49:59 UTC
Zicon Shak'ra wrote:
Training tanking skills is priority over training damage. You have T2 cruise launchers, yet a T1 shield boosters. This makes me sad.


Yeah, I used to play with an old friend of mine who had a T2 fit abaddon, so he'd go in first, take the agro then id come in, taking no damage
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-07-27 15:04:34 UTC
you're fine, just fit a 2xancillary booster tank and rat specific hardeners.

I should buy an Ishtar.

Chimpy B
The Philosophy Of Two
#10 - 2012-07-27 15:27:14 UTC
I'd drop the MWD, take 3 specific shield hardeners, a amplifier and an XL booster.

Not sure that would fit in the CPU though, you'd need to check.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-07-27 15:49:09 UTC
The rule of thumb is to overtank until you're used to the missions, then swap out tank modules for firepower improvements as you get more comfortable. L4 missions throw several metric fbeeptons of damage at you, and there are some that'll crack the tank of a battleship even if it's fully T2-fit with hardeners and shield or armor boosters.

Given battleship prices these days, rolling out a battleship without at least Tech II hardeners is just begging for trouble.

The rule of thumb is to fit three or four mission-specific hardeners (check EVE-Survival to see what rats you'll be facing in each mission). A Tech II Damage Control in one of your low slots will give you additional shield resists, some armor hardening, and enough structural hardening to make the difference between coming home in a battered-but-repairable ship and coming home in a pod.

For active-shield-tanking battleships, the more common fit is an X-Large shield booster (Meta-4 at the very least, Tech II as soon as you can fit it, then a faction booster once you can afford it). You can't get it perma-running, but active-shield-tanking battleships generally use a "burst tank" technique": let the shields drop to about 40%, where the passive recharge rate is best, then run the booster until it's closer to 80% or so, then cut it off and let your capacitor recover.

Tech II drones are practically a must if you're going to solo L4 missions; some of your nastiest opponents will be frigates that web and warp-scram you. While you're at it, you need to get several levels of Drone Interfacing, which will buff your drones' damage by 20% per level. Elite frigates and cruisers like the ones you see in L4's will tank T1 drones.

Oh ... and if you're not sure you're ready, for the love of all that's holy, don't risk a half-billion-ISK faction battleship with a T1 tank to find out. A standard-issue Raven is a lot less expensive, can be insured for much closer to its full value, and will let you learn the techniques you'll need; afterwards, once you're comfortable and you've got your active-shield-tanking skills cranked up a lot, you can transfer your T2 tank modules into the Navy Issue and sell off the standard-issue Raven (which will probably fetch a nice price on contracts if it's well-rigged).

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt

Velarra
#12 - 2012-07-28 00:51:39 UTC
Marc Callan wrote:
and there are some that'll crack the tank of a battleship even if it's fully T2-fit with hardeners and shield or armor boosters.


Navy Scorpion / Rattlesnake T2 fit can take just about any L4 including the epic arcs. This, featuring sufficient DPS (if only surpassed by CNR/Mach/Vargur & friends).

They're probably the exceptions and you certainly do trade gank for tank (and resulting isk/time loss) in the process.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#13 - 2012-07-28 07:37:00 UTC
I started level 4s with cruise missiles 3 and **** support skills

you look over qualified :D

(okay at least drones 5 and a few levels of drone interfacing, I'd probably get t2 hardeners asap and then t2 drones from there)

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Keith Planck
Hi-Sec Huggers
#14 - 2012-07-29 04:46:26 UTC
no your not, you havn't learned how to tank your ship yet
Ryuce
#15 - 2012-07-29 15:54:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryuce
Keith Planck wrote:
no your not, you havn't learned how to tank your ship yet

I was thinking the same. Do a quick google search for raven fittings and see which tanks they use, and whether peoples comments have been approving of these setups. When you've checked 3-4 threads, you will have noticed a pattern. Training the shield tank skills to four is fast.

Don't forget your core skills: capacitor related skills etc. and drones (as mentioned above).

E: You don't need some über skill set, just enough to get by. I support the person suggesting for you to start by overtanking, then decreasing the tank from there. Soon you will have found a decent setup.
McBane
AFK Initiative
#16 - 2012-07-29 20:42:06 UTC
Yeah, I use a CNR as my mission boat and you (OP) can do more missile damage than me! Though I will breeze through any and all – while with that setup you’ll be in a pod on at least a couple of missions – or at best be warping in and out a lot.

Tanking and T2 drones are what you need as advised above, plus a bit of love for your capacitor.

Don’t get too hung up on DPS here either, you’ll end up compromising your tank/durability for a higher DPS yet often still end up requiring the same number of volleys to kill – assuming you’re grouping your missiles all together – and therefore gain nothing from it.

I’d also recommend the, albeit it very expensive, Gist X-Type X-Large shield booster in the mix, it will sort out your cap, shield and CPU woes all in one go and allow for much more flexibility with your fit. It is the only really expensive bit of kit I fit on my Raven, the rest bar 3 Navy BCS’s is all T2 stuff.
GordonO
BURN EDEN
#17 - 2012-07-29 22:06:45 UTC
Mine is something like this(off the top of my head), and it works just fine. You do need T2 light drones to work through the frigs though. I use fury for BS and BC's and T1 cruise missiles for cruisers and the drones for frigs. If I am shooting cruisers and I have missiles in the launcher I will just use them on the BC's and BS till I need to reload.

Top:7x cruise missile launcher II,

mid: 100mn MWD, heavy cap booster, EM ward, 2x T2 adaptive invulnerability field , Pith C XL SB

Bot: 3x CN Ballistic control system, 1 x T2 BCS(4th CN doesn't make that much difference), Co processor II

Rigs: 3x Large warhead rigor catalyst I

You should wait till you can fit a T2 tank...

... What next ??

Lijah Sai
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2012-07-30 01:14:52 UTC
Thanks guys and gals, I'm gonna play it safe and stick with L3's for now til I can fit T2 tank and drones
Pix Severus
Empty You
#19 - 2012-07-30 03:34:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Pix Severus
I solo L4s in my standard Raven, fitted thusly:

High
6 Arbalest Cruise Launcher I, standard cruise missiles (mission-specific)

Mid
1x X-Large Shield Booster II
2x 5a Prototype Shield Support I
3x TII Hardeners (mission-specific)

Low
1x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
2x Ballistic Control System II
2x Capacitor Flux Coil II

Rigs
1x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
2x Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Drone
5x Hobgoblin II
5x Hammerhead II

Overall DPS 455.5

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Paikis
Vapour Holdings
#20 - 2012-07-30 03:48:48 UTC
Pix Severus wrote:
I solo L4s in my standard Raven, fitted thusly:

High
7 Arbalest Cruise Launcher I, standard cruise missiles (mission-specific)

Mid
1x X-Large Shield Booster II
2x 5a Prototype Shield Support I
3x TII Hardeners (mission-specific)

Low
1x Caldari Navy Ballistic Control System
2x Ballistic Control System II
2x Capacitor Flux Coil II

Rigs
1x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
2x Large Warhead Rigor Catalyst I

Drone
5x Hobgoblin II
5x Hammerhead II

Overall DPS 455.5


Quoting a troll FTW!
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