EVE General Discussion

I like the idea of putting the infrastructure on a planet. Kind of puts me in Star Wars theme as the republic base where the shield generator that protected the death star was on a planet. Luke and friends had to take down the shield generator before the fleet could attack the death star (station).

I love the idea of local resources to build fleets. Altough I dont know much about fleet theory crafting Im worried a bit of the idea since you pretty much see all the same fleet comps everywhere. Be it Drakes/Tengus, Maelstroms or Hellcats (anyone still using hellcats?).
Even tough you do need other kinds of ships for a fleet to work, the main ship will pretty much dictate what's needed to be produced on big quantities... be it HMLs, 1400mm or Mega Pulses.

Is it better than Tech tough?? Hell yeah

Cloakers are the real carebears of eve.

Removing local completely from null sec would make warping cloaked with a cyno horribly over powered and very unbalanced.

The way WH's work and Null are COMPLETELY different, what works for one will not work for the other and all sides of the sandbox need to be considered.

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Not to mention how horrible finding fights would be if it were removed. Local is also used to find hostiles to shoot.

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The issue with local is that it's too easy. As soon as someone enters local, you see them and this is a problem. You should only see them if they decloak while you're in local with them. I'm of the opinion that if someone is cloaked in a system before you entered, they wouldn't show up. However something would have to be done to counter balance warping cloaked with a cyno. This concept in known space would be pretty horrible.


Potentially adding a stat to covert ops cloaks that equipping the module increases CPU of cynos making them much harder to fit both. And if you did fit both, you'd have to completely sacrifice tank giving someone a chance to get out.

Another AFK cloaking whine? Get the **** out.

The points to note about skirmish warfare, or the lack thereof in null is something I touched on with some of the ratting changes.

My thought process on speculating how this would increase lies in the change to local by making it so that you don't appear until someone decloaks after a gate jump. This is first step to make hunting more appealing and draw that crowd back out. As it stands, ratters are too slippery and have it too easy.

If you're going to do such a change that hits ratters, it seems fair we throw them a bone... so lets do a little something with cloaking so that it involves player interaction with their game. This would be to help counter the tears/threadnaughts.

Now, to attract people and have sheep to prey on, you need to have value in null sec. This is where my addition to Farms and Fields comes in. Sovereignty is based on activity and people would/should feel as though they are actually contributing. This contributing factor has rewards not only for the alliance, but also for the member. It gives you a reason to hold space, a reason to be active in it and requires more effort if you hold a lot of it.

I speculate if these changes were to go in that alliances would be discouraged from holding vast quantities of space and would reap more benefits by focusing on 1-2 regions, even for very large alliances. Anything beyond that wouldn't be viable or valuable. It would centralize members and it would kind of 'force' them to move around in their sovereign space due to the need to rotate your crops. If you rat in a single system for too long, you have the potential to raise your security status to the point where only ports (lowest anomaly in null sec) would spawn and battleships in belts would literally be non existent.

Overall, it'd be more attractive to be in null sec due to the increased bounty, but you'd always be playing the game of chasing the lowest security status system.

You could fix both with an AFK logout timer....except this is the game that rewards you for finding creative ways not to play.

Your name shows up even in cloak due to you using the Jump gate. ...or at least thats how I rationalize it. Even when you dock and undock!

Or even if you logged in or out, you still came thru some kind of gate.

I have to say hot dropping random gangs would be foolish. There are prerequisites to dropping caps or even just bridging onto an opposing fleet. Local allows for control. Control being able to count out the numbers of the spy’d upon fleet, ship types, direction, who are there friends. As of now you get most of your Intel when a target enters local and you right click on their picture and show info.

Hot dropping or bridging your fleet onto opposing fleets is rare anyways. There only a handful of alliances or corporations that do this particular type of ambush pvp on normal bases. At the same time once you Titian bridge or drop a hand full of capitals on someone, that group tries to avoid you tell their friends, who tell their friends, who tell their friends who your cyno alt are and such, blaah blah. So the number of fights decreases significantly with this style of pvp. From personal experience in the big null fights I only see Titans wiped out for moving large fleets around during CTA's. You can send larger fleets farther for less the fuel then using the normal bridge network.

I would like to propose another alternative to the AFK-Cloaking problem. I understand that CCP encourage most type of gameplay, however, stopping people from playing the game because someone has left their character logged in while cloaked isnt fair.

Why not create the following:

As soon as you cloak, a 'Tachyon Signature' number begins and slowly climbs. When you warp to a new spot, that number starts again. However, if you stay still or even at subwarp velocities, your Tachyon signature begins to raise. Very slowly mind you...it would need to take at least an hour before you could be probed by someone with max skills in scanning.

Someone in a covert ops (eg. Helios) would need 4x Tachyon Scanner Probes. With these probes, similar to normal combat probes but designed to pick up Tachyon Signatures, you could probe down someone who is cloaked while afk.

It bothers me that CCP have let this problem slide for so long. How is it fair when people log on their pilot, cloak up and go to work for a full day...which impacts so many people. Give the victims a chance to counteract the antagonists.

Thoughts?