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Lets fix Null Sec, Tech, Afk Cloaking, Manufacturing... well.. Lets fix it all.

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#21 - 2012-07-27 09:03:54 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Personally, I am cool with whatever as long as jamming makes you (Zagdul) hit your burners and head for the boundary while shouting obscenities... Bear


I was trying to break Agony's lock on me.

MissionAccomplished.jpg


I wish I had been on your comms, your tears must've been absolutely divine. Like a fine, fine wine rolling down your cheeks into the river of LOL.

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Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-07-27 09:07:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Zagdul
Alpheias wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Personally, I am cool with whatever as long as jamming makes you (Zagdul) hit your burners and head for the boundary while shouting obscenities... Bear


I was trying to break Agony's lock on me.

MissionAccomplished.jpg


I wish I had been on your comms, your tears must've been absolutely divine. Like a fine, fine wine rolling down your cheeks into the river of LOL.


This is getting waaay off topic of the post... but!

When we saw 4 rooks, 4 griffins, we started laughing and joking in comms. Nobody cared (this is wrong, we did 'care', but we stopped trying). We lost interest in winning that match when we saw it and just had fun for the rest of the time. We just tried to bump them out of the arena for the rest of the match.

We went into that competition with very low expectations and considering how bad we are at eve were very happy with our results. Out of our 5 matches, we lost 2 won 3. Next year we're going to be focusing on it a bit more now that we've had the experience of doing it this year.

Dual Pane idea: Click!

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Alpheias
Tactical Farmers.
Pandemic Horde
#23 - 2012-07-27 09:11:31 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Alpheias wrote:
Personally, I am cool with whatever as long as jamming makes you (Zagdul) hit your burners and head for the boundary while shouting obscenities... Bear


I was trying to break Agony's lock on me.

MissionAccomplished.jpg


I wish I had been on your comms, your tears must've been absolutely divine. Like a fine, fine wine rolling down your cheeks into the river of LOL.


This is getting waaay off topic of the post... but!

When we saw 4 rooks, 4 griffins, we started laughing and joking in comms. Nobody cared if we won that match and we just tried to bump them out of the arena for the rest of the match.

We went into that competition with very low expectations and considering how bad we are at eve were very happy with our results. Out of our 5 matches, we lost 2 won 3. Next year we're going to be focusing on it a bit more now that we've had the experience of doing it this year.


Mate, I am not trashing you because you lost but rather poking fun at the situation of running into that setup that Agony was fielding. I pictured something like you flipped the table and said something along the lines "I am out, beeches. And **** you, Agony!"

Also looking forward to seeing you next year.

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Mag's
Azn Empire
#24 - 2012-07-27 09:55:56 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
ArrowThe Cloaking Debate
Another... horrible subject.

Here's my solution. AFK cloaking is a harassment tactic, it's fun! I do it and I encourage everyone to do it someday as it's pretty fun to watch ratting hubs for my hostiles decline in activity. However, playing a game while not at your computer is not really playing a game. So, lets just put a fuel requirement on non-covert op cloaking devices. Covert op cloaking devices now have a time limit and regular cloaks have a fuel requirement of ~something~ cheap, maybe heavy water. It takes space, requires a refuel and would eventually require a chronic cloaker type to be active at his computer. It provides a meta game so we can try to catch that dude's re-fueling truck. Or, I can inject a spy in an alliance and refuel them with their own supplies Twisted

In conclusion:
-This system encourages pilots to populate their space and use it.
-It allows for smaller alliances to grief larger ones who have strategically held space. If they don't use it, it's more vulnerable to attack.
-It encourages nullsec manufacturing.


Basically... It does it all.
No mention of local in all that, which is the reason for AFKing. So no balance at all then basically.

It's a no then.

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Nirnias Stirrum
UberWTFBBQ and Battle Technologies
#25 - 2012-07-27 10:03:49 UTC
TL:DR Version

Eve is to hard, make it easier for me.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2012-07-27 11:16:56 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Please find where I said there's a problem with AFK cloaking.


Your title:

Quote:
Lets fix Null Sec, Tech, Afk Cloaking, Manufacturing... well.. Lets fix it all.


If you think there is no problem with it, why do you want it fixed? AFK cloakers can't hurt you.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#27 - 2012-07-27 11:21:59 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:

If you think there is no problem with it, why do you want it fixed? AFK cloakers can't hurt you.


Saying this screams "I don't understand the mechanics of nullsec or warfare with limited information."
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#28 - 2012-07-27 11:23:10 UTC
afk cloaking, like local, would need to be fixed if it was a problem in the first place

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Amaron Ghant
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-07-27 11:33:41 UTC
Me, I have no problems with cloaky ships running around the system i'm in. Theres a risk to me and a risk to the cloaker.

AFK cloakers **** me off.

AFK miners also **** me off

AFK belt ratters seriously **** me off... till i find the True sansha spawn they killed and left to move on to the next belt.

There should be a mechanic to combat cloaks, whether its time, fuel or a system burst of energy that costs a shitload of fuel to produce and like the DD weapon takes time to recharge.

I have no idea however of the best way to implement this.
Elena Melkan
Magellanic Itg
Goonswarm Federation
#30 - 2012-07-27 11:38:37 UTC
Great suggestions. I agree very much with the one about Tech, all the regions should have equal worth in what materials are harvested in there. Instead of nerfing something, devs could think of alternative solutions to make the game more deep and interesting.

Oh, and...

Nirnias Stirrum wrote:
TL:DR Version

Eve is to hard, make it easier for me.

It's always great that people write tl;dr posts like this above example without actually bothering to read the original post at all.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#31 - 2012-07-27 11:41:44 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

If you think there is no problem with it, why do you want it fixed? AFK cloakers can't hurt you.


Saying this screams "I don't understand the mechanics of nullsec or warfare with limited information."


I understand it perfectly, but a person who is afk can't exactly do anything to hurt you.

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Dragon Outlaw
Rogue Fleet
#32 - 2012-07-27 11:41:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dragon Outlaw
AFK is not playing the game...period.
Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#33 - 2012-07-27 11:43:49 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

If you think there is no problem with it, why do you want it fixed? AFK cloakers can't hurt you.


Saying this screams "I don't understand the mechanics of nullsec or warfare with limited information."


I understand it perfectly, but a person who is afk can't exactly do anything to hurt you.


Continue to broadcast your complete lack of understanding.

Is it willful ignorance or just ignorance?
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2012-07-27 11:48:12 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

If you think there is no problem with it, why do you want it fixed? AFK cloakers can't hurt you.


Saying this screams "I don't understand the mechanics of nullsec or warfare with limited information."


I understand it perfectly, but a person who is afk can't exactly do anything to hurt you.


Continue to broadcast your complete lack of understanding.

Is it willful ignorance or just ignorance?


Please enlighten us all about how a person who is AFK is hurting your game play.

If you feel you can't do anything with an AFK cloaker in your system, then it's all on you. There's plenty of people that find ways to continue activities regardless of an AFK cloaker.
Granted that most people don't & would rather complain about it or stop playing.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#35 - 2012-07-27 11:52:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Mallak Azaria wrote:


Please enlighten us all about how a person who is AFK is hurting your game play.

If you feel you can't do anything with an AFK cloaker in your system, then it's all on you. There's plenty of people that find ways to continue activities regardless of an AFK cloaker.
Granted that most people don't & would rather complain about it or stop playing.


"AFK Cloaker" is a name. The act is simply remaining cloaked in a system. It causes some players to become overly cautious.

The entire point, and the only reason it is something people do, is because of the fact that it is impossible to discern what the cloaker is doing. He could be a bomber looking for an easy gank, a scout reporting intel, a cyno waiting for an opportunity to bridge a hostile fleet in, anything really. Players who aren't used to this ever-present threat become nervous and may even refuse to undock. In the middle of a war, an excessive amount of cloakers in system can mean a whole lot of things, and ops sometimes need to be planned around them to misdirect the enemy, bait them or avoid detection.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#36 - 2012-07-27 11:59:40 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:


Please enlighten us all about how a person who is AFK is hurting your game play.

If you feel you can't do anything with an AFK cloaker in your system, then it's all on you. There's plenty of people that find ways to continue activities regardless of an AFK cloaker.
Granted that most people don't & would rather complain about it or stop playing.


"AFK Cloaker" is a name. The act is simply remaining cloaked in a system. It causes some players to become overly cautious.

The entire point, and the only reason it is something people do, is because of the fact that it is impossible to discern what the cloaker is doing. He could be a bomber looking for an easy gank, a scout reporting intel, a cyno waiting for an opportunity to bridge a hostile fleet in, anything really. Players who aren't used to this ever-present threat become nervous and may even refuse to undock. In the middle of a war, an excessive amount of cloakers in system can mean a whole lot of things, and ops sometimes need to be planned around them to misdirect the enemy, bait them or avoid detection.


If they are looking for an easy gank, they are not AFK.
If they are reporting intel, they are not AFK.
If they are looking for an opportune moment to bridge in a fleet, they are not AFK.

AFK cloaker is the name for people that sit in a system cloaked for 23.5 hours a day & never actually do anything, which seems to affect people more than people doing the above. The above scenarios are not AFK cloakers, they are people playing the game.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#37 - 2012-07-27 12:02:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Mallak Azaria wrote:

If they are looking for an easy gank, they are not AFK.
If they are reporting intel, they are not AFK.
If they are looking for an opportune moment to bridge in a fleet, they are not AFK.

AFK cloaker is the name for people that sit in a system cloaked for 23.5 hours a day & never actually do anything, which seems to affect people more than people doing the above. The above scenarios are not AFK cloakers, they are people playing the game.


You're arguing semantics and further proving my point.


Akirei Scytale wrote:

"AFK Cloaker" is a name.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#38 - 2012-07-27 12:05:27 UTC
Akirei Scytale wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:

If they are looking for an easy gank, they are not AFK.
If they are reporting intel, they are not AFK.
If they are looking for an opportune moment to bridge in a fleet, they are not AFK.

AFK cloaker is the name for people that sit in a system cloaked for 23.5 hours a day & never actually do anything, which seems to affect people more than people doing the above. The above scenarios are not AFK cloakers, they are people playing the game.


You're arguing semantics and further proving my point.


Akirei Scytale wrote:

"AFK Cloaker" is a name.


If arguing facts makes you feel this way, then I don't know what to tell you.

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Internet Lawyer Steve
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-07-27 12:07:50 UTC
I read all of your words, but the main problem with Null Sec is your Mega Blob and Blue list.

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Akirei Scytale
Okami Syndicate
#40 - 2012-07-27 12:07:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Akirei Scytale
Mallak Azaria wrote:


If arguing facts makes you feel this way, then I don't know what to tell you.


Use your damn brain, man. I refuse to believe it is this hard for you to grasp such a simple concept.

It is a name. The whole point is that no one except the pilot "afk cloaking" knows if he is afk or up to something. That is literally the only reason it is a viable tactic. afk cloaking does not specifically refer to the case of the pilot actually being afk.