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Please explain. What is a tankable Hulk?
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Spaceman Jack
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1 - 2012-07-26 20:11:42 UTC
Lots of p!ssy suicide gankers been saying that Hulks should just tank better to prevent "most" ganks.
None of them have shown this is possible.

Please indulge me with the following ->
List a gank-proof fit that can still allow the ship to do its base function for a reasonable profit.

Requirements:
- Fit must protect against at least TWO properly fit catalysts for 20 seconds OR ONE battleship for 10 seconds.
- Must be able to mine at least 75% of its potential yield.

This is based off Concord times since Mining ships are still allowed in HiSec and te obvious nature of the attack takes this into account. Thank you.
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-07-26 20:15:19 UTC
Spaceman Jack wrote:
since Mining ships are still allowed in HiSec

true problem identified

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#3 - 2012-07-26 20:16:57 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Spaceman Jack wrote:
since Mining ships are still allowed in HiSec

true problem identified

Oh ho ~
Eh hey ~

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strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-07-26 20:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: strenif
Not really a hulk pilot but as long as you're not afk mining I think this would work.

[Hulk, New Setup 1]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

EM Ward Amplifier II
Medium Shield Extender II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

It's a tight fit. You give up 14% yield by loseing the lows to power grid mods. The tank is as follows.

EHP 20,514
75em
65 th
73kn
75ex

You can change the resists around, I'm just assuming they are going to use EM ammo. Of course the best defense is to be over far away from the warp in for the belt, be passively aligned, be watching D-Scan for combat probes or common ganking ships, and warp out at the first sign of trouble.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#5 - 2012-07-26 20:32:19 UTC
Spaceman Jack wrote:
Lots of p!ssy suicide gankers been saying that Hulks should just tank better to prevent "most" ganks.
None of them have shown this is possible.

Please indulge me with the following ->
List a gank-proof fit that can still allow the ship to do its base function for a reasonable profit.

Requirements:
- Fit must protect against at least TWO properly fit catalysts for 20 seconds OR ONE battleship for 10 seconds.
- Must be able to mine at least 75% of its potential yield.

This is based off Concord times since Mining ships are still allowed in HiSec and te obvious nature of the attack takes this into account. Thank you.


You're an idiot first off. Second, nobody has said that current hulks can be made totally ungankable. Plus, it is a matter of you the player making a choice. If you choose not to use the tools to tank your hulk and decide you want yield instead - go ahead and do it, just be aware that you are opening yourself up for a gank.

It really is that simple. Either you choose to make yourself a less desirable target or you paint a huge target on the side of your hulk. Properly tank hulks are passed by as most gankers want to ensure a kill - a decent tanked hulk will not be their target.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2012-07-26 20:34:41 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
...nobody has said that current hulks can be made totally ungankable.

That isn't what he asked for.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#7 - 2012-07-26 20:35:00 UTC
i dunno someone who can take on this guy

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#8 - 2012-07-26 20:36:11 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
...nobody has said that current hulks can be made totally ungankable.

That isn't what he asked for.


He asked for a gank-proof fit.
strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-07-26 20:39:14 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
...nobody has said that current hulks can be made totally ungankable.

That isn't what he asked for.


He asked for a gank-proof fit.


True but he clarified with the following

Requirements:
- Fit must protect against at least TWO properly fit catalysts for 20 seconds OR ONE battleship for 10 seconds.
- Must be able to mine at least 75% of its potential yield.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-07-26 20:39:52 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
...nobody has said that current hulks can be made totally ungankable.

That isn't what he asked for.


He asked for a gank-proof fit.

No, he asked for a fit that can stand 2 catalysts for 20 seconds while maintaining 75% potential yield.
Not 3 catalysts, not 2 for 21 seconds. These qualifiers for tank make it far from ungankable and aren't terribly unrealistic ganking scenarios.
Phoenix Bibbs
Imperium Cartel.
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#11 - 2012-07-26 20:41:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Phoenix Bibbs
Quote:
as long as you're not afk mining


That should do the trick.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#12 - 2012-07-26 20:47:46 UTC
strenif wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
...nobody has said that current hulks can be made totally ungankable.

That isn't what he asked for.


He asked for a gank-proof fit.


True but he clarified with the following

Requirements:
- Fit must protect against at least TWO properly fit catalysts for 20 seconds OR ONE battleship for 10 seconds.
- Must be able to mine at least 75% of its potential yield.


I clarified that a player must way the risk vs the reward. If you want good yield you have to make a choice, either fit for yield or fit for tank...you can't have both. Just like any ship you fly in EVE - you have to make choices on how you wish to fit them.

Hell why not, right off the top of my head.

Fit one DCII, reinforced bulk head II, two invuln II's and one rig medium core defense field extender - with the right skills that gives you decent tank that most gankers will not even attempt to hit in two catalyst - let alone 1. If you are not AFK, overheat your invulns and you're easily pushing 25k EHP and this isn't even a fully tanked hulk!
Patrakele
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-07-26 20:51:26 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
strenif wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
...nobody has said that current hulks can be made totally ungankable.

That isn't what he asked for.


He asked for a gank-proof fit.


True but he clarified with the following

Requirements:
- Fit must protect against at least TWO properly fit catalysts for 20 seconds OR ONE battleship for 10 seconds.
- Must be able to mine at least 75% of its potential yield.


I clarified that a player must way the risk vs the reward. If you want good yield you have to make a choice, either fit for yield or fit for tank...you can't have both. Just like any ship you fly in EVE - you have to make choices on how you wish to fit them.

Hell why not, right off the top of my head.

Fit one DCII, reinforced bulk head II, two invuln II's and one rig medium core defense field extender - with the right skills that gives you decent tank that most gankers will not even attempt to hit in two catalyst - let alone 1. If you are not AFK, overheat your invulns and you're easily pushing 25k EHP and this isn't even a fully tanked hulk!


Maybe you should stick to making sandwiches...
strenif
Perkone
Caldari State
#14 - 2012-07-26 20:51:53 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:


I clarified that a player must way the risk vs the reward. If you want good yield you have to make a choice, either fit for yield or fit for tank...you can't have both. Just like any ship you fly in EVE - you have to make choices on how you wish to fit them.

Hell why not, right off the top of my head.

Fit one DCII, reinforced bulk head II, two invuln II's and one rig medium core defense field extender - with the right skills that gives you decent tank that most gankers will not even attempt to hit in two catalyst - let alone 1. If you are not AFK, overheat your invulns and you're easily pushing 25k EHP and this isn't even a fully tanked hulk!


I sense much anger in you.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#15 - 2012-07-26 20:55:22 UTC
strenif wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:


I clarified that a player must way the risk vs the reward. If you want good yield you have to make a choice, either fit for yield or fit for tank...you can't have both. Just like any ship you fly in EVE - you have to make choices on how you wish to fit them.

Hell why not, right off the top of my head.

Fit one DCII, reinforced bulk head II, two invuln II's and one rig medium core defense field extender - with the right skills that gives you decent tank that most gankers will not even attempt to hit in two catalyst - let alone 1. If you are not AFK, overheat your invulns and you're easily pushing 25k EHP and this isn't even a fully tanked hulk!


I sense much anger in you.


No I sense CCP caving in and dumbing down EVE.
Spaceman Jack
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#16 - 2012-07-26 20:55:38 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
ou're an idiot first off. Second, nobody has said that current hulks can be made totally ungankable. Plus, it is a matter of you the player making a choice. If you choose not to use the tools to tank your hulk and decide you want yield instead - go ahead and do it, just be aware that you are opening yourself up for a gank.


LOL - If Im an idiot, then you take stupid to a whole new level...

As a matter of fact... YOU said, hulks could be made ungankable.
You may want to review your OWN post in this thread -
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136774&p=17

Ginseng Jita wrote:
Right, miners couldn't be troubled to fit their barges and exhumers with tanks - system all ready in place that would stop almost all ganks besides the ones that really - really - really -wanted to pop you. And you are telling us to Adapt or Die? Now that is ironic.


LOL - And yes, you still failed to answer the post correctly.
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-07-26 20:55:44 UTC
Nothing is gank-proof.

hello
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#18 - 2012-07-26 20:57:00 UTC
Patrakele wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:


I clarified that a player must way the risk vs the reward. If you want good yield you have to make a choice, either fit for yield or fit for tank...you can't have both. Just like any ship you fly in EVE - you have to make choices on how you wish to fit them.

Hell why not, right off the top of my head.

Fit one DCII, reinforced bulk head II, two invuln II's and one rig medium core defense field extender - with the right skills that gives you decent tank that most gankers will not even attempt to hit in two catalyst - let alone 1. If you are not AFK, overheat your invulns and you're easily pushing 25k EHP and this isn't even a fully tanked hulk!


Maybe you should stick to making sandwiches...


I'll fit the hulk I just said and you come gank it in with two catalyst in .7 space. LOL and I'll watch Concorde melt your faces.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-07-26 20:57:57 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
Spaceman Jack wrote:
since Mining ships are still allowed in HiSec

true problem identified


Yeah people like you.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Ginseng Jita
PAN-EVE TRADING COMPANY
#20 - 2012-07-26 20:59:03 UTC
Spaceman Jack wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
ou're an idiot first off. Second, nobody has said that current hulks can be made totally ungankable. Plus, it is a matter of you the player making a choice. If you choose not to use the tools to tank your hulk and decide you want yield instead - go ahead and do it, just be aware that you are opening yourself up for a gank.


LOL - If Im an idiot, then you take stupid to a whole new level...

As a matter of fact... YOU said, hulks could be made ungankable.
You may want to review your OWN post in this thread -
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=136774&p=17

Ginseng Jita wrote:
Right, miners couldn't be troubled to fit their barges and exhumers with tanks - system all ready in place that would stop almost all ganks besides the ones that really - really - really -wanted to pop you. And you are telling us to Adapt or Die? Now that is ironic.


LOL - And yes, you still failed to answer the post correctly.


Nice try - never said they could be made ungankable. I said almost all ganks.
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