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Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2012-07-27 12:46:50 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Eternal Error wrote:
Faction ships aren't supposed to be similar, they're supposed to reflect the traits of their respective factions.


Thats why Guristas pirate boats are drone boats. Because it reflects the use of drones by Guristas pirates.

Right?


I see what you did there.

Turn 'em into Missile-based ECM boats?Blink

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Wuxi Wuxilla
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-07-27 13:00:27 UTC
Quote:

Fair point. But let's be complete in our examples. The Drake and the Tengu enjoy kill number like that for a lot reasons, none of which have to do with the fact that they are missile boats. Between the sheet number of Caldari players (a **** ton) and the excellence of those particular designed (perhaps a touch OP), the Tengu and Drake are simply popular designs, used in pretty much all areas of the game. From WH to Hi Sec to gangs and huge blobs/fleets, those hulls are everywhere.


What?
It has everything to do with missiles. Heavy Missiles are probably the best weapon system in this game.
The only reason the Caracal and Nighthawk aren't up there with Drake/Tengu are severe fitting issues (both to some degree) and being outshined by the Tengu/giving not much of an upgrade over the Drake (Nighthawk).
Give the Prophecy 7 launcher hardpoints and a Kinetic missile dmg bonus and you will see Prophecy blobs. Give the Drake a Hybrid Optimal bonus and 7 turret hardpoints and you will see it as often as the Ferox.
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#63 - 2012-07-27 13:18:24 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Eternal Error wrote:
Faction ships aren't supposed to be similar, they're supposed to reflect the traits of their respective factions.


Thats why Guristas pirate boats are drone boats. Because it reflects the use of drones by Guristas pirates.

Right?


I see what you did there.

Turn 'em into Missile-based ECM boats?Blink


With 200km jamming range. And the Guristas torpedos seem to have incredible range too.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2012-07-27 13:20:09 UTC
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Zaraz Zaraz wrote:
Eternal Error wrote:
Faction ships aren't supposed to be similar, they're supposed to reflect the traits of their respective factions.


Thats why Guristas pirate boats are drone boats. Because it reflects the use of drones by Guristas pirates.

Right?


I see what you did there.

Turn 'em into Missile-based ECM boats?Blink


With 200km jamming range. And the Guristas torpedos seem to have incredible range too.


Feels about right.

God I hate doing missions against them...

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Zaraz Zaraz
Zontik Paraphernalia Inc
#65 - 2012-07-27 13:22:46 UTC
SB Rico wrote:
Sigras wrote:
again im going to ask if the OP has looked at the caldari navy hookbill

because the whole point of this thread (as pointless as it is) is a complaint that missile ships dont get the same huge bonuses as gun ships even though theyre just as effective . . . (I get it, seeing a +100% bonus looks cool)

but the base argument is wrong, at frigate level 5 the Caldari Navy Hookbill gives a +100% bonus to kinetic missile damage.


Guess I am confused too, when did the hookbill become a pirate ship?


Depends on your perspective. If you are Gallente then Caldari Navy is a bunch of pirates!
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#66 - 2012-07-27 13:24:11 UTC
Jonas Land wrote:
show me a single missle platform with 100% damage bonuses..... anywhere in EVE.

tengu

I should buy an Ishtar.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
#67 - 2012-07-27 13:29:10 UTC
the 100% dmg bonus' are balanced with the fact, most of those ships have only 2 turrets.

I can tell you right now that a 150dps hookbill does more dps than a 300dps comet.

Just cause EFT says different doesent make it true.
Zicon Shak'ra
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#68 - 2012-07-27 17:14:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Zicon Shak'ra
Jonas Land wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:

Some of those pirate frigates can do in excess of 500 dps... You can kill a battleship with them... how can a frigate doing 200 dps compete with that?

If you take 2 pilots, maxed skills on their platform of choice... one in a Hawk, one in a Daredevil... the Hawk doesnt stand a chance. And since SOLO PvP is mainly going to be centered around frigates... Well? Where's the balance at?


You are literally clueless about frig PVP. And really, PVP in general. A few comments:
- A 500 DPS frigate is a paper tiger with almost no range.
- I've seen a battleship downed by way less than 200 DPS. I saw a Sentinel do it once. :)
- I'd say the most likely outcome of two competent pilots in a Hawk/Daredevil is a stalemate. The Daredevil isn't likely to kill the Hawk and the Hawk isn't likely to pin the Daredevil down because of the web bonus.
- I'd say the most likely outcome of two competent pilots in a Hawk / Enyo is a dead Enyo. :)
- Solo PVP happens in whatever ship you happen to be in. I've done solo PVP in everything from noob ships to carriers.

If you're interested in solo PVP, why don't you swing by Amamake? :)

-Liang


You are nothing but a troll looking to argue.


Come to Amamake tonight - I'm looking to make my 7th PVP video, Amamake Fun VI and you'd make a great member of the cast!

-Liang


reported for trolling :)... have a nice day.



She's right. On every one of those statements. So stop being so ignorant and stubborn, and don't report people that don't do anything. Reported you.

Edit: Rephrasing and typos. Ugh

Wormholes are cool, m'kay?
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#69 - 2012-07-27 18:48:39 UTC
Jonas Land wrote:
Golems are not worth spitting on in solo pvp and we all know it...

lolwhat?

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#70 - 2012-07-27 18:54:23 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:
Golems are not worth spitting on in solo pvp and we all know it...

lolwhat?


Out of curiosity, do you have any Golem PVP videos? I've done some solo PVP in a Golem and what it did to a BC gang was ******* hilarious.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#71 - 2012-07-27 19:05:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Fon Revedhort
Liang Nuren wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:
Golems are not worth spitting on in solo pvp and we all know it...

lolwhat?


Out of curiosity, do you have any Golem PVP videos? I've done some solo PVP in a Golem and what it did to a BC gang was ******* hilarious.

-Liang

I put those decent parts in my latest vid, but after ABS release Golem is really cool. Also, having that much tank and that many boosters, Golem's ecm vulnerability becomes a lot less pronounced.

ASBs are overpowered by about 75%-100%. Golem is one of those ships capable of abusing this fact thoroughly.

EDIT: Getting a pirate missile-focused BS would be nice, though. My only wish would come to its mobility - we definitely don't need yet another gate hugger, do we? Bear

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#72 - 2012-07-27 19:52:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Jonas Land wrote:
Golems are not worth spitting on in solo pvp and we all know it...

lolwhat?


Out of curiosity, do you have any Golem PVP videos? I've done some solo PVP in a Golem and what it did to a BC gang was ******* hilarious.

-Liang

I put those decent parts in my latest vid, but after ABS release Golem is really cool. Also, having that much tank and that many boosters, Golem's ecm vulnerability becomes a lot less pronounced.

ASBs are overpowered by about 75%-100%. Golem is one of those ships capable of abusing this fact thoroughly.

EDIT: Getting a pirate missile-focused BS would be nice, though. My only wish would come to its mobility - we definitely don't need yet another gate hugger, do we? Bear



Well, we do have the Fleet Typhoon. It doesn't have a range bonus so you'll almost certainly be running cruise (yuck). I think I'd like to see something that looks kinda like the Raven:

4 launchers, 2 utility (-2 launchers)
7 mids (+1 mid)
6 lows (+1 low)

Bonuses:
Minmatar BS: 10% explosion radius/level
Caldari BS: 10% missile velocity/level

Role Bonus: 100% damage

About the same speed and agility as a fleet Typhoon.

My only concern is that the damage output would be WTFOP.

-Liang

Ed: You know, I think the missile velocity bonus might actually be wasted here because the ship is damn near custom built for cruise. Maybe a resist bonus instead - that wouldn't be OP at all.

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2012-07-27 20:19:51 UTC
SB Rico wrote:
Sigras wrote:
again im going to ask if the OP has looked at the caldari navy hookbill

because the whole point of this thread (as pointless as it is) is a complaint that missile ships dont get the same huge bonuses as gun ships even though theyre just as effective . . . (I get it, seeing a +100% bonus looks cool)

but the base argument is wrong, at frigate level 5 the Caldari Navy Hookbill gives a +100% bonus to kinetic missile damage.


Guess I am confused too, when did the hookbill become a pirate ship?

Just curious, so long as you have a ship fitting the criteria you've set, why does it matter what it's classification is?
Fon Revedhort
Monks of War
#74 - 2012-07-27 22:06:01 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
I think I'd like to see something that looks kinda like the Raven:

4 launchers, 2 utility (-2 launchers)
7 mids (+1 mid)
6 lows (+1 low)

Bonuses:
Minmatar BS: 10% explosion radius/level
Caldari BS: 10% missile velocity/level

Role Bonus: 100% damage

About the same speed and agility as a fleet Typhoon.

OP as heck.

Btw, you can't have more than 12 lows and mids combined, unless you give up something in highs, which isn't really the case here cause of doubling bonus.

"Being supporters of free speech and free and open [CSM] elections... we removed Fon Revedhort from eligibility". CCP, April 2013.
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#75 - 2012-07-27 22:25:20 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
I think I'd like to see something that looks kinda like the Raven:

4 launchers, 2 utility (-2 launchers)
7 mids (+1 mid)
6 lows (+1 low)

Bonuses:
Minmatar BS: 10% explosion radius/level
Caldari BS: 10% missile velocity/level

Role Bonus: 100% damage

About the same speed and agility as a fleet Typhoon.

OP as heck.

Btw, you can't have more than 12 lows and mids combined, unless you give up something in highs, which isn't really the case here cause of doubling bonus.


Well, I did give up something - 2 utility highs. But yeah, it'd be OP as hell. And oh so much fun. :)

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Raukhur
NorthMount
#76 - 2012-07-27 22:48:11 UTC
Liang Nuren wrote:
Raukhur wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:


If you're interested in solo PVP, why don't you swing by Amamake? :)

-Liang


I actually did just that and got jumped by Liang and a couple more. Guess one needs to ask for 1v1 but being in amamake that's not worth much :-)

Not complaining at all, just saying that amamake might not be the best place for soloing. But will come have a look again

Cheers


That's a really neat trick considering I was eating Ethiopian food at lunch while you were allegedly jumped by me and more. But yes, if you don't ask for a 1v1 there's no reasonable reason to believe either party is looking for it. At any rate, I've never heard of Heretics not honoring an agreed upon 1v1. Certainly not "at night" (US TZ).

-Liang


Sorry, bad wording by me, this was some time ago.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#77 - 2012-07-28 01:19:41 UTC
Jonas Land wrote:
Ok....... I love the pirate ships.... BUT... I have a question for CCP...

When can the missle ship pilots in the game expect a pirate or faction ship with the HUGE DAMAGE BONUSES that are available for the projectile and hybrid ships???

CCP are always posting blogs about 'balance' and changing ships to make them more compatible and so called 'even out the playing field'...

Well seems to me that you guys are overlooking a big part of your player base.

Missle boat pilots make up a big part of the players in EVE, so how about a pirate ship that gives the huge damage bonuses to rockets...


I like to pvp and would like to get into it a lot more than i am now. Well my main account toon is trained in missles, and I'm sure a lot of players will agree that missle boats have been COMPLETELY overlooked in the PvP fields.

PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE put some thought into a pirate faction missle boat...



Navy Raven has a rate of fire bonus. That is a HUGE damage bonus.
Navy Scorp has rate of fire bonus.
Regular Raven has rate of fire bonus.
Rattlesnake uses missle with drones and has the huge damage bonus.
T1, Navy faction, pirate faction all covered.

This entire thread is unnessary! Roll
Fronkfurter McSheebleton
Horse Feathers
CAStabouts
#78 - 2012-07-28 01:42:16 UTC
Fon Revedhort wrote:
Liang Nuren wrote:
I think I'd like to see something that looks kinda like the Raven:

4 launchers, 2 utility (-2 launchers)
7 mids (+1 mid)
6 lows (+1 low)

Bonuses:
Minmatar BS: 10% explosion radius/level
Caldari BS: 10% missile velocity/level

Role Bonus: 100% damage

About the same speed and agility as a fleet Typhoon.

OP as heck.

Btw, you can't have more than 12 lows and mids combined, unless you give up something in highs, which isn't really the case here cause of doubling bonus.

That's actually not terribly different from the golem...TP bonus gives the same result as the exp radius bonus...you just need a tp. The dps output is the same, only the application is better. (still less dps than a CNR, btw)

thhief ghabmoef
Weed Probe
Dynaco Manufacturing
#79 - 2012-07-30 00:26:35 UTC
OP buy a hookbill and go mine with it

Everyone trusts Weed.
Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#80 - 2012-07-30 00:46:02 UTC
The only turret ships with huge bonuses to damage are the ones who lack the normal number of turrets.

Show me a pure missile ship that lacks the normal number of launchers (Golem... oh wait...).



Also, calling Liang a troll when it comes to PvP is the most hilarious thing I have ever seen on these forums.