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Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#1461 - 2012-07-27 20:46:48 UTC
This thread is comedy frikken gold...Lol

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.
Dez Affinity
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1462 - 2012-07-27 20:50:21 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:
Also I've done the whole 'kill the suicide catalyst' things. I would get in a Thrasher with 8 remote sensor boosters on me and tackle the mon their out gate, then they started fitting stabs, I could only catch one anyway and they could just go to a different system.

I also would camp their home system station after a gank with a sensor booster thrasher to pod them and make it expensive for them in implants/clones but that's easy to work around too.


Sit 5k off the Hulks in a Seboed, tracking 650 Nado. You'll 2 Volley Catalysts once they go GCC.


You don't know what belt they're warping to until they warp to it. Following them in a thrasher works ok, you can sometimes snag a pod or a catalyst but you won't save the hulk.

Corina Jarr wrote:

You make a bunch of BMs off grid in a ring around the belt. You then fly to each one in such a way that you can mine continuously for hours, being aligned almost every second. The only way for someone to get you when using this method is to scan down your BMs (bumping is impractical because anything that could bump the miner off course enough would have to be uncloaked, and they could warp long before the bump occurred).


OOh come on you can't be serious, makes off grid book marks in ever belt you want to mine in and remember where each one is and at what apex of your orbit while keeping in range of the asteroids. That's harder than PvP! You could argue that they should be using celestials to do the same thing, that, is much easier.

James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1463 - 2012-07-27 20:50:35 UTC
The only tears I see are those of miner babies crying that the rest of us with some common sense are in here pointing out their idiocy.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1464 - 2012-07-27 20:51:24 UTC
Asuri Kinnes wrote:
This thread is comedy frikken gold...Lol


At least a lot of ganker tears in this thread.
Soundwave Plays Diablo
Doomheim
#1465 - 2012-07-27 20:54:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:
Profitability in ganking is largely irrelevant.

If you lost X amount of isk per gank, but your income was that same X amount more than the miner, you could sustain your gank squad indefinitely. Eventually that would cause pilots who pay via PLEX to no longer play Eve. And at 200+mil a loss for the miner, it would not take long if one was 'singled out'.


I can assure you that the stupidity of people is such that in 9 years they indeed never learn a very simply lesson. Fit a damn tank.


Fitting a tank is completely irrelevant, as much as people like to argue it.

(Gankers net profit per hour while not gankning) - (gankers net loss while ganking) = Gankers profit per hour.

(miners profit per hour) - (miners cost of operation per hour) = Miners profit per hour.

As long as the gankers profit is positive, I.E. actually profit, they will be able to keep the ganking campaign up indefinitely.

The miners can only mine indefinitely if they also have net profit. When you need 10 hours of work to replace your ship it puts the miner at a more than 10:1 disadvantage no matter how much tank they fit.
Pipa Porto
#1466 - 2012-07-27 20:57:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Dez Affinity wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dez Affinity wrote:
Also I've done the whole 'kill the suicide catalyst' things. I would get in a Thrasher with 8 remote sensor boosters on me and tackle the mon their out gate, then they started fitting stabs, I could only catch one anyway and they could just go to a different system.

I also would camp their home system station after a gank with a sensor booster thrasher to pod them and make it expensive for them in implants/clones but that's easy to work around too.


Sit 5k off the Hulks in a Seboed, tracking 650 Nado. You'll 2 Volley Catalysts once they go GCC.


You don't know what belt they're warping to until they warp to it. Following them in a thrasher works ok, you can sometimes snag a pod or a catalyst but you won't save the hulk.


I'm saying you camp the Hulks. And you will Blap a Catalyst (probably 2) before their 20s are up. You lock faster than they do, and you kill one every other ~3.5s cycle. That means, unless they bring an extra 1 or 2 Catalysts to the Gank, the Hulk survives.

If you're trying to hit them before they gank, go with an 1200 Arty Nado on the gate and blap them as they try to warp.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1467 - 2012-07-27 21:03:34 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
I'm saying you camp the Hulks. And you will Blap a Catalyst (probably 2) before their 20s are up. You lock faster than they do, and you kill one every other ~3.5s cycle. That means, unless they bring an extra 1 or 2 Catalysts to the Gank, the Hulk survives.


Could work. Thrasher only has 550 scan resolution vs Catalyst's 500. I don't think that makes a big difference.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1468 - 2012-07-27 21:04:18 UTC
Soundwave Plays Diablo wrote:

Fitting a tank is completely irrelevant, as much as people like to argue it.

(Gankers net profit per hour while not gankning) - (gankers net loss while ganking) = Gankers profit per hour.

(miners profit per hour) - (miners cost of operation per hour) = Miners profit per hour.

As long as the gankers profit is positive, I.E. actually profit, they will be able to keep the ganking campaign up indefinitely.

The miners can only mine indefinitely if they also have net profit. When you need 10 hours of work to replace your ship it puts the miner at a more than 10:1 disadvantage no matter how much tank they fit.







Miners have yet to go out of profit. Indeed, right now they are having the biggest boom in EVE history, all while under the gankers "opression".

Also you will have to explain to us why fitting a tank which will stop you from getting killed is irrelevant. Given that being killed is what you are whining about.
Nikolai Dostoyevski
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1469 - 2012-07-27 21:09:54 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The only tears I see are those of miner babies crying that the rest of us with some common sense are in here pointing out their idiocy.


Oh this is getting even better. My bucket isn't big enough!
Pipa Porto
#1470 - 2012-07-27 21:11:40 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
I'm saying you camp the Hulks. And you will Blap a Catalyst (probably 2) before their 20s are up. You lock faster than they do, and you kill one every other ~3.5s cycle. That means, unless they bring an extra 1 or 2 Catalysts to the Gank, the Hulk survives.


Could work. Thrasher only has 550 scan resolution vs Catalyst's 500. I don't think that makes a big difference.


Nado. TOR-NA-DO.

Buncha Sebos, Buncha 425s (650s also work, but 425s can 2 shot them and tracking helps you make sure you connect strong).

Catalysts have ~4k EHP vs Fusion

This does 2246 per shot and cycles every 2.79s. Locks in 1.2s to a Cats 2.1s Lock on a Hulk. So every 6s you're killing a Catalyst, and you get to start as soon as they GCC.


[Tornado, Protect Ze Miners]

Tracking Enhancer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Sensor Booster II, Scan Resolution Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L
Dual 425mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet Fusion L

Medium Projectile Collision Accelerator I
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller I
[Empty Rig slot]

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1471 - 2012-07-27 21:11:57 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Also you will have to explain to us why fitting a tank which will stop you from getting killed is irrelevant. Given that being killed is what you are whining about.


After the patch:
Tank Skiff
Tank Mack
Put few invuls on Hulk (tanking will be done by Scimi/Basi pilot who can tank over 5000)
Dave Stark
#1472 - 2012-07-27 21:22:46 UTC
hang on... what's the biggest tank you can fit while still maxing yield (t2 strips, 2x mlu IIs) on a hulk with the new stats?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#1473 - 2012-07-27 21:25:33 UTC
Nikolai Dostoyevski wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The only tears I see are those of miner babies crying that the rest of us with some common sense are in here pointing out their idiocy.


Oh this is getting even better. My bucket isn't big enough!


So this is someone who has seen an EVE meme and not understood it correctly and then used it in the wrong way and made a terrible post. Don't be this guy
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1474 - 2012-07-27 21:29:05 UTC
I dare someone to read this whole thread.

~ Professional Forum Alt  ~
Dave Stark
#1475 - 2012-07-27 21:30:17 UTC
Sentamon wrote:
I dare someone to read this whole thread.


people have done; i get a random like, then about 15 mins later i'll get another one about 20 pages on etc... people are reading it but by the time they get this far they've fallen asleep, clawed their eyes out, or jumped out of the window.
Tarryn Nightstorm
Hellstar Towing and Recovery
#1476 - 2012-07-27 21:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarryn Nightstorm
Or, maybe all you whiny little whining whine-guys could, post-patch...

Fly a Procurer in hisec?

They've changed the stats/slot layout now, although I don't know if it's final, but this:

Procurer -- "HMCS Bring it, Punk!"

HI
Strip Miner I or II

MID
1 x Medium Shield Extender II
1 x Kinetic Hardener II
2 x Invuln Field II

LO
1 x Damage Control II
1 x Mining Laser Upgrade I or II

RIG
2 x EM Resist rig I
1 x Thermal Resist rig I

DRONE
(5 x to taste, probably Hob IIs to make quick work of belt-rats)

^^That^^ has approx 45.6k EHP in-game, heating to ca. 54+...We're talking "typical" 1 LSE/2 Invuln/CDFE or resist-rig Drake-level buffer here with 50% less sig-radius...My testing on SiSi has proven conclusively that this cannot be solo-ganked in HiSec, nor yet effectively group-ganked, as the group needed would be hopelessly unprofitable (3 very high skill + all T II fit--expensive for a gank-ship Toros, or all T II Torp/Smartbomb Ravens at the minimum).

The manu/indi alt can't fly the T II barges yet, but I imagine the Proc's T II progeny would be even more beastly just looking at its base numbers.

Shut the f up, and enjoy your massive buff, already -- Gods, there's just no pleasing some people vOv...

If you get ganked in this, then it will be 100% your own damned fault, and a clear sign that you really should biomass and un-install.

Star Wars: the Old Republic may not be EVE. But I'll take the sound of dual blaster-pistols over "NURVV CLAOKING NAOW!!!11oneone!!" any day of the week.
Dave Stark
#1477 - 2012-07-27 21:32:39 UTC
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Fly a Procurer in hisec?


but i'm in a fleet with my orca alt. i'm flying my hulk!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1478 - 2012-07-27 21:34:48 UTC
If I'm shedding tears it's out of frustration after repeated attempts to explain something you seem completely incapable of comprehending.
Not because I'm a ganker, because I'm not one.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pipa Porto
#1479 - 2012-07-27 21:36:55 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Tarryn Nightstorm wrote:
Fly a Procurer in hisec?


but i'm in a fleet with my orca alt. i'm flying my hulk!


Orca fit Webs, Hulk fit Webs, Both mine aligned to a Safe or POS. (you'll be mooving at ~10m/s)

Be atk enough to notice things landing on grid with you, and warp away clean.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Kitty Bear
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#1480 - 2012-07-27 21:41:09 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Makari Aeron wrote:

My reasoning is this:
1. so much whining about getting ganked by CONCORD and not making a profit
2. so much whining about miners having too much tank

Solution:
Don't gank in hi-sec for profit.
Problem: highsec is where the profitable targets are. Moving outside of highsec means more risk for less reward.


Is there a problem?



the "Risk v's Reward" maxim so frequently posted does of course mean


  • You take all the risk
  • They get all the reward