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Suqq Madiq

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#1421 - 2012-07-27 19:55:29 UTC | Edited by: Suqq Madiq

baltec1 wrote:

Suqq Madiq wrote:

The last fit is realistic and yet can be easily busted by 3 T1 Catalysts worth less than a combined 10mil ISK.

No it wont. Again we have tested this hence why we did not go after these supertank hulks in our interdiction.

You're wrong. Again.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646

25k EHP w/ heat. 3 T1 Catalysts. 15mil in drops + whatever Salvage + Goon bounty. Highly profitable gank of well-fit Hulk.

Wuxi Wuxilla

The Scope

Gallente Federation

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#1422 - 2012-07-27 19:58:55 UTC

Quote:

[Catalyst, Suicide t1]
Gauss Field Balancer I
Gauss Field Balancer I
Gauss Field Balancer I

Initiated Harmonic Warp Scrambler I
[empty med slot]

Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
Limited Light Neutron Blaster I, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
[empty rig slot]

Hobgoblin I x1

511 dps heated, so ~8k before concord blows you to hell, so 24k for 3 Catalysts. Not enough to kill any of the Hulks

Dez Affinity

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#1423 - 2012-07-27 19:59:04 UTC

Herr Wilkus wrote:

Dez Affinity wrote:

[quote=Werst Dendenahzees]

Once you're sat in a belt doing the most mind numbing profession in EVE there's not much you can do if someone warps in on you.

Don't martyr yourself. You don't get bonus points for doing a boring task in a stationary manner.

You CHOSE it. And besides...suicide ganking isn't all fun and laughs either. Try scanning empty haulers for 3 hours, and finding nothing worth attacking.

One of the biggest problems with miner attitude:
"Mining is boring so I'm entitled to have a ship that allows me to be AFK and mine without paying attention."

No, you aren't.

You should be allowed to AFK mine, but you shouldn't be able to AFK mine without risk.

Nor should gankers be required to spend a fortune to provide that risk.
They WON'T spend a fortune, because they aren't stupid. The main risk in highsec mining (the only risk) will simply go away.

Which is what 90% of the miners on here want.....

Not just to AFK mine - but to do it without fear of losing their property, and thats BS.

Hey, I've never mined as a profession. The only time I've ever mined was to sell my bait.

I've done far more ganking of miners, including using 1 catalyst to solo a hulk in .5s It's horribly unfair, the guy can do nothing about it, I land right on top of him and he's dead before he can get past 10m/s. If I really want I can bump him with an alt for one mwd cycle and then he's really boned.

My point about mining is to actually be effective at mining in terms of isk gain, you have to sit there for a large amount of time, in the belt, 0m/s. You can buff your tank, but it doesn't help, you don't have the EHP.

Right now the risk/reward is not ok. Pirates in catalyst risk NOTHING. They are already outlaw, no sec to lose, negligible amount of isk spent per ship, which is recouped by looting your own wrecks, the hulks wreck and salvaging the hulks wreck.

Don't even try to argue it isn't too easy to kill a hulk mining in high sec. It is, really really easy.

Bat Country Pandemic Horde 19,001
baltec1 Bat Country Pandemic Horde Likes received: 19,001	#1424 - 2012-07-27 19:59:35 UTC Suqq Madiq wrote: You're wrong. Again. http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13920646 25k EHP w/ heat. 3 T1 Catalysts. 15mil in drops + whatever Salvage + Goon bounty. Highly profitable gank of well-fit Hulk. Faurent (0.5) Not the same fit as was posted.

Dave stark

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#1425 - 2012-07-27 19:59:43 UTC

Quote:

Covetor/hulk: ore bay is identical to its current cargo hold, little to average EHP, but best mining output. Basically made for group operations when players have industrials and protection to back them up.

why are you tanking hulks? you should have your friends in combat ships to shoot the gankers before they shoot you. i mean, concord won't shoot your friend's drake for shooting unagressed gankers will they since that's what ccp wants? infact, surely protection would be concord itself.

hang on, does that means ccp wants hulks to be suicide gank immune in high sec?

[yeah, i'm bored]

Dez Affinity

Caldari Provisions

Caldari State

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#1426 - 2012-07-27 19:59:55 UTC

Wuxi Wuxilla wrote:

Quote:

511 dps heated, so ~8k before concord blows you to hell, so 24k for 3 Catalysts. Not enough to kill any of the Hulks

Use 3 vexors, break the bank a little!

Pipa Porto

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#1427 - 2012-07-27 20:00:09 UTC

Suqq Madiq wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

This fit on SiSi has 22k EHP

[Hulk, Hulk, tank]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

[Hulk, Incredible Hulk]
Damage Control II
Reinforced Bulkheads II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender II
Medium Core Defense Field Extender II

32k w/ Heat, T2 rigs, 3 CPU and 0 PG to spare. I'd LOVE to see the Hulk fit that has more. And this thing is an abomination. Nobody should be forced to fit this way just to survive a few Catalysts out for profit.

If that's with TQ stats, a Hulk can do better with T1 rigs.

[Hulk, Tank Fit]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Internal Force Field Array I

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

39k EHP vs Void. 3 CPU, .1 Grid available. Requires a 4% grid rig or downsize to T1 strips.

Anyway, nobody is forced to fit any tank to avoid ganks. They only have to fit a brick tank to avoid ALL profitable ganks in .5 sec space while totally AFK.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Herr Wilkus

Aggressive Salvage Services LLC

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#1428 - 2012-07-27 20:06:56 UTC

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

baltec1 wrote:

Because at the moment you do make a profit if they dont fit a tank.

10 mil for tank fit with T2 suitcase for Charon.

Brick tanked Hulk with SiSi stats has 22k EHP.

Cargoholds are smaller than they were before. And Mack gets only 5% per level bonus to ore bay.

They hulk on sisi gets a better tank than on live and I have a hulk fit for 33k. Less lies please.

Just because you don't know how to tank a Hulk properly, doesn't mean the Hulk needs a buff.

State War Academy Caldari State 455
Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#1429 - 2012-07-27 20:09:34 UTC Pipa Porto wrote: Anyway, nobody is forced to fit any tank to avoid ganks. They only have to fit a brick tank to avoid ALL profitable ganks in .5 sec space while totally AFK. Get to SiSi and see yourself. Brick tank = 22k EHP before fleet boost. Oh nevermind, you don't have skills...


Jorma Morkkis State War Academy Caldari State Likes received: 455	#1430 - 2012-07-27 20:10:57 UTC Herr Wilkus wrote: Just because you don't know how to tank a Hulk properly, doesn't mean the Hulk needs a buff. When I undocked in untanked exhumer? API verified killmail?

MIrple

Black Sheep Down

Tactical Narcotics Team

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#1431 - 2012-07-27 20:12:16 UTC

[Hulk, Tank]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Domination EM Ward Amplifier
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

this is on normal sever one mod is a 40 mill but on a 300 mill ship it justify it. You also need a CA-2 implant
23.8k EHP
26.1k heated

I would think after the patch it will be better with the HP buff

Herr Wilkus

Aggressive Salvage Services LLC

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#1432 - 2012-07-27 20:15:33 UTC

Dez Affinity wrote:

I've done far more ganking of miners, including using 1 catalyst to solo a hulk in .5s It's horribly unfair, the guy can do nothing about it, I land right on top of him and he's dead before he can get past 10m/s. If I really want I can bump him with an alt for one mwd cycle and then he's really boned.

You ganked a Hulk in 0.5 space with a Catalyst.

"Its horribly unfair" - that suggests that there is nothing he can do about it.

"The guy can do nothing about it" Why do you promote misinformation???

FALSE: He can tank.
One DCUII in the lows, and he survives that gank. One flight of ECM drones, he can stops two Catalysts. A few other mods, he can survive three .

FALSE: He can mine in a safer place than 0.5..
FALSE: He can stay aligned and warp off before you land.
and on and on...I'm not going to list all the ways.

If you are going to make an argument, at least try not to back it up with discredited bullcrap.

Pipa Porto

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#1433 - 2012-07-27 20:15:52 UTC | Edited by: Pipa Porto

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Pipa Porto wrote:

Anyway, nobody is forced to fit any tank to avoid ganks. They only have to fit a brick tank to avoid ALL profitable ganks in .5 sec space while totally AFK.

Get to SiSi and see yourself. Brick tank = 22k EHP before fleet boost.

Oh nevermind, you don't have skills...

I do. Exhumers 4. I just have a terrible computer and don't have the space for SISI.

In that case, we're talking about post 1.2 where the way to tank your ship is to USE. A. SKIFF.

And a Hulk being fragile is fine because it's the ship you use when you have friends to help defend you.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

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Arkon Olacar black.listed Likes received: 554	#1434 - 2012-07-27 20:15:55 UTC 1 How the hell did this thread get to 1500 posts after less than two days? Don't you people have jobs?

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Soundwave Plays Diablo Doomheim Likes received: 144	#1435 - 2012-07-27 20:16:25 UTC Profitability in ganking is largely irrelevant. If you lost X amount of isk per gank, but your income was that same X amount more than the miner, you could sustain your gank squad indefinitely. Eventually that would cause pilots who pay via PLEX to no longer play Eve. And at 200+mil a loss for the miner, it would not take long if one was 'singled out'.

Anvil44

Avedis Corporation

The Vanguard Syndicate

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#1436 - 2012-07-27 20:16:53 UTC

Pipa Porto wrote:

Suqq Madiq wrote:

Jorma Morkkis wrote:

Plugged this into EFT - unless you are not listing implants best EHP I could find was 32k using the 'All lvl V' pilot and overheating modules. That was against explosive. Thermal is 25k. Not sure what I am missing here.

I may not like you or your point of view but you have a right to voice it.

Viziam Amarr Empire 11,532
James Amril-Kesh Viziam Amarr Empire Likes received: 11,532	#1437 - 2012-07-27 20:17:42 UTC Also, why the **** are you omni tanking these Hulks? Protip: gankers use catalysts (i.e. blisters Enjoying the rain today? ;)

MIrple

Black Sheep Down

Tactical Narcotics Team

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#1438 - 2012-07-27 20:17:43 UTC

MIrple wrote:

[Hulk, Tank]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Damage Control II

Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Amplifier II
Survey Scanner II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Genolution Core Augmentation CA-2

EHP 23.1 OH 25.1

how is this not a fair trade off?

Pipa Porto

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#1439 - 2012-07-27 20:19:30 UTC | Edited by: Pipa Porto

Anvil44 wrote:

Pipa Porto wrote:

If that's with TQ stats, a Hulk can do better with T1 rigs.

[Hulk, Tank Fit]

Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Internal Force Field Array I

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

39k EHP vs Void. 3 CPU, .1 Grid available. Requires a 4% grid rig or downsize to T1 strips.

Anyway, nobody is forced to fit any tank to avoid ganks. They only have to fit a brick tank to avoid ALL profitable ganks in .5 sec space while totally AFK.

Bolded for you. The numbers should be about the same vs AM. It also has enough tank vs EMP, Quake, Fusion, or PP to survive 2 volleys of a Nado. No Fleet boosts, and only a 4% Grid Inplant.

If they bring 2 Nados, they're spending 140m to kill you. That's shot profit in the face.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto

Jorma Morkkis

State War Academy

Caldari State

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#1440 - 2012-07-27 20:21:51 UTC | Edited by: Jorma Morkkis

Pipa Porto wrote:

In that case, we're talking about post 1.2 where the way to tank your ship is to USE. A. SKIFF.

And a Hulk being fragile is fine because it's the ship you use when you have friends to help defend you.

- Gankers whine that Hulk can't be ganked after patch
- CCP changes stats on test server
- Gankers can't get to test server (for some reason)
- I go there and fit a brick tank on Hulk and check what EHP is
- I post information I got here in this thread
- Gankers whine more and say I'm lying

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Caldari State

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