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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1121 - 2012-07-27 07:55:51 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
you can't fit a T2 MSE on that setup anyway since CPU and PG hardwirings use the same slot, and this fit completely uses both, and that's with a genolution set (cheap) and a +1% PG hardwiring (even cheaper)


You can't put two implants into same slot on same clone.
Pipa Porto
#1122 - 2012-07-27 07:57:41 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
please show me the "tank" on your exhumer

no, the civilian shield booster you have does not constitute a tank


[Hulk]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core I

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I

Yes, I know it's not "perfect". Oops

Forgot drones. 5x Vespa EC-600



Oh, you mean the fit that you claimed over and over again wouldn't be able to stop a HS gank?

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-RubyPorto
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1123 - 2012-07-27 07:58:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
you can't fit a T2 MSE on that setup anyway since CPU and PG hardwirings use the same slot, and this fit completely uses both, and that's with a genolution set (cheap) and a +1% PG hardwiring (even cheaper)


You can't put two implants into same slot on same clone.


except all three of those implants use different slots

the genolution set gives you a decent bonus to both CPU and powergrid

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Pipa Porto
#1124 - 2012-07-27 07:59:21 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
they'd need 3 catalysts to kill you in an 0.5 and that's without any gang bonuses


Not to rain your parade but 3 catalysts is the default setup even moderate casual gankers use...


3 T2 Catalysts is an unprofitable gank. By a LOT.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1125 - 2012-07-27 08:00:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
Oh, you mean the fit that you claimed over and over again wouldn't be able to stop a HS gank?


Are you now saying it can be ganked? Great.

Pipa Porto wrote:
3 T2 Catalysts is an unprofitable gank. By a LOT.


Not if you gank Itty5 full of officer mods.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1126 - 2012-07-27 08:02:19 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Oh, you mean the fit that you claimed over and over again wouldn't be able to stop a HS gank?


Are you now saying it can be ganked? Great.


the veldnaught can be ganked if you bring enough ships to kill it

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1127 - 2012-07-27 08:02:26 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
they'd need 3 catalysts to kill you in an 0.5 and that's without any gang bonuses


Not to rain your parade but 3 catalysts is the default setup even moderate casual gankers use...


3 T2 Catalysts is an unprofitable gank. By a LOT.


CCP Soundwave wrote:

Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense.


working as intended

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1128 - 2012-07-27 08:04:15 UTC
dexington wrote:
working as intended


it's working as intended because we're talking about a ship that is fitted to be unprofitable to gank, you see

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1129 - 2012-07-27 08:09:12 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
the veldnaught can be ganked if you bring enough ships to kill it


Only if you can gank it before node crashes...
Pipa Porto
#1130 - 2012-07-27 08:09:56 UTC
dexington wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
they'd need 3 catalysts to kill you in an 0.5 and that's without any gang bonuses


Not to rain your parade but 3 catalysts is the default setup even moderate casual gankers use...


3 T2 Catalysts is an unprofitable gank. By a LOT.


CCP Soundwave wrote:

Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense.


working as intended


Yes. Exactly. So the buff to mining barges is entirely unnecessary.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1131 - 2012-07-27 08:12:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
the veldnaught can be ganked if you bring enough ships to kill it


Only if you can gank it before node crashes...


problem is that you'd need 900 tornadoes to pull it off because, heh, it's in 1.0, unless he has a slave set plugged in (which isn't a distant possibility)

in an 0.5, assuming 900k EHP, you'd need 30 Talos, which work out to be cheaper (!) than the rev

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Pipa Porto
#1132 - 2012-07-27 08:12:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Oh, you mean the fit that you claimed over and over again wouldn't be able to stop a HS gank?


Are you now saying it can be ganked? Great.


1. It's the fit YOU, Jorma Morkkis claimed was insufficiently tanked.

2. Never said it couldn't. Just that it can't be profitably tanked (something that you disagreed with, ad nauseaum in another thread).

3. Seriously, Head Injuries presenting with memory lapses are serious. See a Doctor.

Quote:

Pipa Porto wrote:
3 T2 Catalysts is an unprofitable gank. By a LOT.


Not if you gank Itty5 full of officer mods.


We are Talking about Mining barges. FFS.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#1133 - 2012-07-27 08:13:39 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
the veldnaught can be ganked if you bring enough ships to kill it


Only if you can gank it before node crashes...


TiDi's largely taken care of node crashes even in systems which aren't RFed.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1134 - 2012-07-27 08:15:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
2. Never said it couldn't. Just that it can't be profitably tanked (something that you disagreed with, ad nauseaum in another thread).


What? I don't even... Lol

Keep throwing those Catalysts at my Hulk one at a time and I'm sure I can make some profit out of it.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1135 - 2012-07-27 08:18:58 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
2. Never said it couldn't. Just that it can't be profitably tanked (something that you disagreed with, ad nauseaum in another thread).


What? I don't even... Lol


if you actually disputed that your hulk can't be profitably ganked in any sec, well, i think you're vastly overestimating how valuable the drops/salvage are

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1136 - 2012-07-27 08:20:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Richard Desturned wrote:
if you actually disputed that your hulk can't be profitably ganked in any sec, well, i think you're vastly overestimating how valuable the drops/salvage are


25M in salvage.
7-11M in T2 strip miners.
10M from Goons.

And whatever you can get back from your Catalyst wreck. But that's not actually profit.
Horace Nancyball
The Whiskers of Kurvi-Tasch
#1137 - 2012-07-27 08:22:12 UTC
Almost 60 pages on a topic done to death every month for the last seven years...
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1138 - 2012-07-27 08:22:29 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
25M in salvage.
7-11M in T2 strip miners.
10M from Goons.


i hope you're not trying to bring up a reward paid by a player corporation in a thread about balance

also fyi that doesn't pay for 3 T2 fit catalysts

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dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1139 - 2012-07-27 08:24:14 UTC
Horace Nancyball wrote:
Almost 60 pages on a topic done to death every month for the last seven years...


Why are you then surprised it's happening again this month?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1140 - 2012-07-27 08:25:37 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
also fyi that doesn't pay for 3 T2 fit catalysts


3 * 11M = 33M

And if you don't insure your ship you're doing it wrong.