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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1061 - 2012-07-27 06:33:46 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
okay the second question was a bit of a **** move considering that it's terribly inconclusive, but if it it died to one catalyst then i somehow doubt that it had its hardeners on

Well if you put uber killmail detective mode on it's possible to guess, but who has that kind of patience?


let's not forget that he's just vaguely referring to some random killmail link buried deep in some thread somewhere so, well, its veracity can easily be questioned


Yeah there are currently 3 threads about this topic, it's clearly buried in a 2005 kill mail.

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1062 - 2012-07-27 06:33:52 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
1) ECM drones - requires a very minor sacrifice (can't use mining drones) but can easily mean the difference between a gank attempt succeeding or otherwise. somewhat AFK friendly as you can have them out on aggressive mode with focused fire.


And here comes belt rats. Ganker ganks with a little help from belt rats.
Pipa Porto
#1063 - 2012-07-27 06:35:14 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
You don't need to use one at all. Your lasers don't break if they run out of ore mid-cycle, do they? Nope. It's a yield module fitted at the expense of tank.


"Don't fit it you dumbass!" works only for afk miners. Active miners can actually increase their yield by actively paying attention to what they are doing. But oh no "all hisec miners are afk or bots!"

Pipa Porto wrote:
Why would the Orca be 70-80km from the Hulk?


Role Bonus:
250% bonus to tractor beam range
100% bonus to tractor beam velocity


Then they can be aligned or actively watching for ganks, so they can fit for yield.

So? What benefit do you get from putting it 80km from the Hulks? Doing stupid stuff because you want to is fine, but you don't get to complain that it's inconvenient.

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-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#1064 - 2012-07-27 06:35:50 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
1) ECM drones - requires a very minor sacrifice (can't use mining drones) but can easily mean the difference between a gank attempt succeeding or otherwise. somewhat AFK friendly as you can have them out on aggressive mode with focused fire.


And here comes belt rats. Ganker ganks with a little help from belt rats.


A tanked Hulk will trivially tank HS rats.

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-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1065 - 2012-07-27 06:37:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Jorma Morkkis
Pipa Porto wrote:
So? What benefit do you get from putting it 80km from the Hulks? Doing stupid stuff because you want to is fine, but you don't get to complain that it's inconvenient.


Do you even know how big 0.0 belts/gravs (+ WH gravs) are?
It's better to have ships scattered all around. Only stupid people sit in one spot on grav sites.

Richard Desturned wrote:
3) fitting a brick tank - if you specifically tank for Catalysts (meta 4 MSE, invuln, kinetic hardener, thermic hardener), you can easily get close to 50k EHP against blasters, which is nothing to shake a stick at. requires relevant fitting skills at V and a genolution set (which is cheap) and a +1% PG implant (which is laughably cheap)


And here comes Thrasher and ganks it.

Pipa Porto wrote:
A tanked Hulk will trivially tank HS rats.


And that 700 dps Catalyst too?

Btw, passive regen isn't enough to survive 3 cruiser rats.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1066 - 2012-07-27 06:39:11 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
1) ECM drones - requires a very minor sacrifice (can't use mining drones) but can easily mean the difference between a gank attempt succeeding or otherwise. somewhat AFK friendly as you can have them out on aggressive mode with focused fire.


And here comes belt rats. Ganker ganks with a little help from belt rats.


yeah that serpentis spy isn't even going to break the passive regen

please try harder

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Pipa Porto
#1067 - 2012-07-27 06:41:14 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
So? What benefit do you get from putting it 80km from the Hulks? Doing stupid stuff because you want to is fine, but you don't get to complain that it's inconvenient.


Do you even know how big 0.0 belts/gravs (+ WH gravs) are?
It's better to have ship scattered all around. Only stupid people sit in one spot on grav sites.


We're talking about HS. Did you forget again? Is your Head Injury acting up again?

In Null, you don't need much tank at all because if you get pointed you die period. No hoping the hostile is low on DPS.

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-RubyPorto
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1068 - 2012-07-27 06:41:22 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Btw, passive regen isn't enough to survive 3 cruiser rats.


do the belts spawn anything else then frigs?

I'm a relatively respectable citizen. Multiple felon perhaps, but certainly not dangerous.
Pipa Porto
#1069 - 2012-07-27 06:42:42 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
A tanked Hulk will trivially tank HS rats.


And that 700 dps Catalyst too?

Btw, passive regen isn't enough to survive 3 cruiser rats.


5 ECM Drones, 5 Warrior IIs. Dscan, pull ECM, put out warriors, kill Rats, put ECM back out.

How much handholding do you need, honestly?

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1070 - 2012-07-27 06:44:20 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
We're talking about HS. Did you forget again?


No you were talking about how tractor beam is stupid/useless module.

Pipa Porto wrote:
In Null, you don't need much tank at all because if you get pointed you die period. No hoping the hostile is low on DPS.


Can your Erebus destroy that Hulk before it gets to complete safety of POS?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1071 - 2012-07-27 06:45:44 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
And here comes Thrasher and ganks it.


23k ehp against RF EMP, 44k against fusion and 38k against phased plasma

next

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1072 - 2012-07-27 06:46:24 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Can your Erebus destroy that Hulk before it gets to complete safety of POS?


please tell me how you'd get into a POS when you're tackled in a grav site/belt

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1073 - 2012-07-27 06:47:42 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
please tell me how you'd get into a POS when you're tackled in a grav site/belt


Why are you tackled in Hulk in nullsec? Talk about AFK mining...

dexington wrote:
do the belts spawn anything else then frigs?


I wasn't talking about betls. Hisec rats. You know, mining missions.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1074 - 2012-07-27 06:47:52 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
5 ECM Drones, 5 Warrior IIs. Dscan, pull ECM, put out warriors, kill Rats, put ECM back out.

How much handholding do you need, honestly?


you really have to be grasping at straws to bring /belt rats/ into the equation

if you can't deal with belt rats in hisec please just unsub and find an easier game

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1075 - 2012-07-27 06:49:00 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
please tell me how you'd get into a POS when you're tackled in a grav site/belt


Why are you tackled in Hulk in nullsec? Talk about AFK mining...


you cannot anchor a tower anywhere besides a moon

please show me all of those asteroids right next to POS shields

or please just stop opining on things that you have no clue about

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pussnheels
Viziam
#1076 - 2012-07-27 06:50:32 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
We're talking about HS. Did you forget again?


No you were talking about how tractor beam is stupid/useless module.

Pipa Porto wrote:
In Null, you don't need much tank at all because if you get pointed you die period. No hoping the hostile is low on DPS.


Can your Erebus destroy that Hulk before it gets to complete safety of POS?

another nullsec elitist completely out of touch on what the other 95 % of the players do

you gankers brought these changes on yourself and about time they are here so deal with it end discussion

anyway i am suppose to be on vacation , time to take a dip in the pool , have fun all

I do not agree with what you are saying , but i will defend to the death your right to say it...... Voltaire
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1077 - 2012-07-27 06:50:33 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
if you can't deal with belt rats in hisec please just unsub and find an easier game


- Jump into your Hulk (oh no, you don't have skills. ok that Catalyst is ok)
- Go to nearest incursion area.
- Warp to belt
- Profit!
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1078 - 2012-07-27 06:51:35 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
- Jump into your Hulk (oh no, you don't have skills. ok that Catalyst is ok)
- Go to nearest incursion area.
- Warp to belt
- Profit!


>belt rats in incursion constellations

holy **** talk about grasping at straws

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1079 - 2012-07-27 06:52:45 UTC
"guys hulks aren't balanced because if you buffer tank them the incursion belt rats will chew through your tank, because they can somehow tank them with an active tank" ~ miners, 2012

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1080 - 2012-07-27 06:53:25 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
>belt rats in incursion constellations

holy **** talk about grasping at straws


Are Sanshas too tough challenge for pvper?