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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1001 - 2012-07-27 05:30:43 UTC
Travis117 wrote:
Waaa waaaaa were going to have a harder time ganking like the l33t pvpers waaaaaaa. Wanna kill people? Go to lowsec or nullsec


if you think that PvP should be restricted to low/null, you should just go back to one of the themepark games where your hand is held throughout the ~experience~ and you can succeed in the equivalent of a shield-tanking laser megathron

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Pipa Porto
#1002 - 2012-07-27 05:31:41 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
The hard work of Moon Goo is fighting to keep it.


Not really. Few thousand supercaps / moon should do the trick.


If herding a few thousand people into a fleet is so easy, why haven't you taken any moons?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1003 - 2012-07-27 05:31:48 UTC
Gun Gal wrote:
Guess you now know where the power lies, and its not with you.


since you're clearly so powerful you should invade nullsec with your newly buffed exhumers lmao

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1004 - 2012-07-27 05:32:15 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The entire point is that miners haven't done anything to earn this buff. As I said earlier an appropriate buff would be purely to the fitting stats of the ships, not their EHP. Buffing the fitting stats would allow them to fit a respectable tank without too much sacrifice to yield, but no, we can't even help miners help themselves, we have to do everything for them!


Yeah they should have gone around in topless with some slogans and then all to mine Jita state's face!

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Gun Gal
Dark Club
#1005 - 2012-07-27 05:32:55 UTC
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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1006 - 2012-07-27 05:33:55 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yeah they should have gone around in topless with some slogans and then all to mine Jita state's face!


more like "the miners should have demonstrated a single instance where they lost a properly tanked exhumer to a gank"

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Travis117
Valkyrie Consortium
No Visual.
#1007 - 2012-07-27 05:33:58 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Travis117 wrote:
Waaa waaaaa were going to have a harder time ganking like the l33t pvpers waaaaaaa. Wanna kill people? Go to lowsec or nullsec


if you think that PvP should be restricted to low/null, you should just go back to one of the themepark games where your hand is held throughout the ~experience~ and you can succeed in the equivalent of a shield-tanking laser megathron

Not necessarily said pvp should e restricted to low and null .war dec if u want to high sec pvp. I think its funny the gankers are crying about this lol
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1008 - 2012-07-27 05:36:38 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The entire point is that miners haven't done anything to earn this buff. As I said earlier an appropriate buff would be purely to the fitting stats of the ships, not their EHP. Buffing the fitting stats would allow them to fit a respectable tank without too much sacrifice to yield, but no, we can't even help miners help themselves, we have to do everything for them!


Yeah they should have gone around in topless with some slogans and then all to mine Jita state's face!

See above.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1009 - 2012-07-27 05:36:54 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Insurance fraud was taken away not because of hi sec kills but because, like boomerang, it started being used in an heavily mass, industrialized way. You can find on MD the guy (Cosmoray) who made 100B+ by manufacturing thousands of battleships and exploding them.

He started a trend, with a NPC endless ISK faucet, he posted about it and how to do it and then nobody would stop what was basically legal ISK duping. CCP intervened and removed it.

Same for boomerang, for years it was used with a brain and not spammed on the forums and CCP let it go. Then a very intelligent guy started talking about it on GD and made tutorials so droves of emulators started doing it. CCP intervened and removed it.

Same for orca ships "saving". Once again, tolerated for a long time till somebody "smart" decided to make it very public and spammable by every ganker. CCP intervened and removed it.


Don't blame hi seccer targets for the grave hi seccer gankers dug by themselves.


i'm not talking about insurance fraud, which allowed empty ships to be self-destructed at a profit

boomeranging was broken and anybody who disagrees is kinda silly considering that it literally allowed you to suicide gank a freighter with one tornado

orca ship saving is also stupid

i'm not talking about things that are literally borderline exploits, i'm talking about the consistent goalpost moving which is gradually removing all risk from hisec


CCP have to move goals because emergent players like your corp find new and creative ways to do stuff more and more efficiently (also see the FW LP affair) and they feel like they have to counter them to keep the game under control.

Feel free to disagree of course, but in order to be relevant you'd need at least to become a relevant CCP stake holder.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1010 - 2012-07-27 05:36:59 UTC
Travis117 wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Travis117 wrote:
Waaa waaaaa were going to have a harder time ganking like the l33t pvpers waaaaaaa. Wanna kill people? Go to lowsec or nullsec


if you think that PvP should be restricted to low/null, you should just go back to one of the themepark games where your hand is held throughout the ~experience~ and you can succeed in the equivalent of a shield-tanking laser megathron

Not necessarily said pvp should e restricted to low and null .war dec if u want to high sec pvp. I think its funny the gankers are crying about this lol


I realize that you want to ~spread your wings~ and fly around in an officer-fit faction battleship and be completely safe from getting ganked for your loot

sorry if I disagree

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1011 - 2012-07-27 05:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yeah they should have gone around in topless with some slogans and then all to mine Jita state's face!


more like "the miners should have demonstrated a single instance where they lost a properly tanked exhumer to a gank"



I recall in the other similar thread a link to a tanked EHP ship with zero MLUs kill mail. So what? It's not like that guy now will receive a statement of Well Played by you or CCP and the ship reimbursed.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1012 - 2012-07-27 05:38:42 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP have to move goals because emergent players like your corp find new and creative ways to do stuff more and more efficiently (also see the FW LP affair) and they feel like they have to counter them to keep the game under control.

Feel free to disagree of course, but in order to be relevant you'd need at least to become a relevant CCP stake holder.


heh look at you comparing the ganking of players who made zero effort to evade ganks or mitigate the risk of being ganked to an operation that created such an obscene amount of wealth that it would have wrecked the LP market for years

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Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#1013 - 2012-07-27 05:39:18 UTC
Travis117 wrote:
war dec if u want to high sec pvp. I think its funny the gankers are crying about this lol


Please describe how to wardec that fleet of exhumers with each pilot coming from a different NPC corp. You don't need to dumb it down too much, so no need to write a step-by-step click-this-button guide for dummies.

Resorting to labelling the people you disagree with as crybabies is not enhancing the strength of your argument.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1014 - 2012-07-27 05:39:59 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I recall in the other similar thread a link to a 19k EHP ship with zero MLUs kill mail. So what? It's not like that guy now will receive a statement of Well Played by you or CCP and the ship reimbursed.


did it predate crucible? did it have its hardeners running? did it have an obscene number of ships on its killmail? was it at war with the dudes who killed it?

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#1015 - 2012-07-27 05:41:35 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
CCP have to move goals because emergent players like your corp find new and creative ways to do stuff more and more efficiently (also see the FW LP affair) and they feel like they have to counter them to keep the game under control.

Feel free to disagree of course, but in order to be relevant you'd need at least to become a relevant CCP stake holder.


heh look at you comparing the ganking of players who made zero effort to evade ganks or mitigate the risk of being ganked to an operation that created such an obscene amount of wealth that it would have wrecked the LP market for years


I classed both into "emergent players like your corp find new and creative ways to do stuff and more efficiently".

Please stick to written words, not your biased interpretation of them.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1016 - 2012-07-27 05:41:36 UTC
okay the second question was a bit of a **** move considering that it's terribly inconclusive, but if it it died to one catalyst then i somehow doubt that it had its hardeners on

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1017 - 2012-07-27 05:43:42 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
okay the second question was a bit of a **** move considering that it's terribly inconclusive, but if it it died to one catalyst then i somehow doubt that it had its hardeners on

Well if you put uber killmail detective mode on it's possible to guess, but who has that kind of patience?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1018 - 2012-07-27 05:45:31 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
okay the second question was a bit of a **** move considering that it's terribly inconclusive, but if it it died to one catalyst then i somehow doubt that it had its hardeners on

Well if you put uber killmail detective mode on it's possible to guess, but who has that kind of patience?


let's not forget that he's just vaguely referring to some random killmail link buried deep in some thread somewhere so, well, its veracity can easily be questioned

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Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1019 - 2012-07-27 05:53:26 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
did it predate crucible? did it have its hardeners running? did it have an obscene number of ships on its killmail? was it at war with the dudes who killed it?


All points are Irrelevant. Kill is a kill. Titan or 5000 Catalysts... Doesn't matter.

"Tanked Hulk can't be ganked" is what you nullbears keep saying.
Mara Rinn
Cosmic Goo Convertor
#1020 - 2012-07-27 05:53:50 UTC
Travis117 wrote:
Waaa waaaaa were going to have a harder time ganking like the l33t pvpers waaaaaaa. Wanna kill people? Go to lowsec or nullsec


You need to understand how Trammel ruined Ultima Online. The designers gave the whingers such as yourself what they asked for, and the game died. Sure you could still log in and head out into the forest to kill NPCs and take their gold, but there was no longer any danger in playing the game. There was no need to interact with other people: you didn't need a posse to have a chance of coming back from a hunting expedition alive.

Those who do not learn history are doomed to repeat it.

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