EVE General Discussion

Seeing the Skiff has lower cargo and yield, almost all will use Macks. But most still have their old Hulk so there'll be still plenty to kill.

guys, (this applies to the null/low whiners) what say you if I do my best to put together a corp of new players get them all excited and take them to this super "safe" place that I know about where its secret. we can mine and pve to our hearts content, then give you said location so that you can asplode them?
would you all shut the hell up?

Well it had half the Hulk tank for years, time for some revenge.

But joking aside, mining ships like that will fall in the same category of the others: you kill them because of an agenda or because they are pimped or because they are carrying valuable stuff. Not because it's completely free ISK even killing the bare hull.

Nice, weak little straw-man, used as an even weaker little appeal to authority, bru. Fail.

If the devs really thought that it was "exploitative," then they would have declared it an exploit--because CCP has shown that they really don't like that sort of thing, as well they shouldn't--with the appropriate penalties for exploiting, and/or hard-mechanic fixing so it's not even do-able (ref.: The utterly senseless hard-nerf of the OPs "Tornado Bootlegger's Turn" manoeuvre).

This has not happened now, nor has it ever. There is also nothing explicitly even implying that it will, that has been said by anyone with a blue tag by their avatar.

Learn to debate.

Next!

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I want to hear Soundwave's answer to this, not some fluffy/squishy little WoW-kid's answer who thinks that EVE should be like WoW so that he doesn't have to use brain or ::effort:: to succeed in it.

Ah, last but not least, maybe people would be more agreeing with the claims if they were not:

- Called "stupid Pigs" right here.

- Made subject of WWII copied manifestos by other "ideologists" for months.

- Pictured like they are the ultimate evil that should be eradicated from the game. "They are all bots anyway".

well then why are you complaining that they are getting bolstered defenses?
its not stopping you from killing miners
just bring a bigger ship to kill them
if you dont care and only wnt them to die
then
kill them
and stop being a ***** lol


edit: this page reeks of vaginal discharge

1. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose
2. Fit a tank
3. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose
4. Make friends
5. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose
6. Don't go AFK
7. Don't fly what you can't afford to lose

This is advice that is repeated often in other aspects of the game. Why should miners get magical exemptions from the basic rules of the game?

My Hulk, standalone, has around 20k EHP. Noone's going to gank it even without an Orca nearby, there are more attractive targets sitting further down the belt. I earned that 20k EHP by training the appropriate skills. The "all 5s" are Engineering, Electronics, Mechanics, Hull Upgrades, Shield Management, Shield Compensation, Exhumers and the appropriate skills to be able to fly the Exhumer in the first place. Note that the leadership skills require a fleet, and it's entirely possible to have the Orca pilot being the only one with maxed leadership skills: that pilot can fit the siege warfare mindlink instead of the mining foreman mindlink. And they don't even need to be flying an Orca: the booster pilot can be flying an industrial until the fleet can afford an Orca, the leadership boosts will still apply.

The Hulk is the end-game of the mining profession. After that you're into leadership and materiel logistics roles (orca, rorqual) and you are no longer simply mining. There is a similar lead-up in training requirements in order to fly other T2 ships. Just because you can get into a Hulk in 55 days doesn't mean you belong in one.

People who don't make friends, go AFK, fit max yield and fly ships they can't afford to lose, are going to have a hard time in any aspect of EVE. Give that 55-day pilot a fleet with suitable support and they won't necessarily lose their Hulk in a hurry, but then they've started following the rules: make friends, don't go AFK, fit a tank.

I forgot canes came with all of 2 slots for that MAPC.

hes an impression of the mittani

Apparently the majority of the playerbase buys the Hulk (top used ship) and won't take your "doesn't mean you belong in one".
It's much easier that their peer pressure will get the game modified to cater to them instead, and this is the dynamic nature of MMOs, the stronger "faction" wins and some times even force developers to comply.

As for making friends, the day it's suggested as pre-requisite to play EvE (like it was for other older MMOs) then I suppose we'll just told the majority to quit EvE and go play a more suitable solo player compatible game.

I am fine whatever, I have both friends, ISK, Orcas, BPOs and RR ships for any event.