EVE General Discussion

Mine sold quite good. With super cheap Nanite Transistors none the less

Its true you used to run the nc with mm now you are no better then firmius ixon...

let's go back to the mwd drake, to get it cap stable do you give up t2 launchers? no, you don't because it's a combat ship who's most valuable assets are it's guns.

on a similar note, to tank a mining ship you wouldn't give up your t2 ice harvesters, you'd give up the ihus like the drake would downsize to meta 4 shield extenders if it was a fitting issue, or you'd drop a ballistic control unit for a capacitor thing if you were lacking cap stability.

it wouldn't be acceptable for a combat ship to lose it's t2 guns, so why should it be acceptable for a mining ship to lose it's t2 high slots?

okay, here is one with t2 harvesters

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/16196592/Mackinaw%20-%20New%20Setup%202.jpg

much better, perfectly acceptable fitting. there's no way 2k ehp is worth downsizing to t1 harvesters.

edit: now how about one for some one that doesn't have 4 accounts for boosters?

I believe this change is themattic with the game in a very real way. It allows for a corp to dedicate itself to ganking miners in high sec for a fee. Anyone for any reason can hire these gankers to eliminate their problem for any reason, like maybe competition or what ever. Because miners are not profitable to gank anymore as they should be then it makes sense to charge a fee for service. This is adapting and is themattic with the game. Many other players run corps for services like freight hauling or whatever.

It did not make any sense to charge a fee before this because it was profitable for the most part. CCP is changing the dynamics so this is a viable option. When this happens and it will miners will not be safe in high sec. If you see a bot mining your area of operations report it to CCP and if you need faster resolution and it is worth it to you, hire a ganker corp to clear the problem. Note the gankers will still get quite a bit of cash from the gank so the fee need not be too high. But whatever the market will bear. Each miner can figure out for themselves what it is worth to them to have a problem eliminated.
A price for this service will become set after a while. If the bots come back hire them again and again. Bots losing their ships are costly as well and at some point they will go elsewhere to bot. Until the next guy takes them out and so on.

Also this change makes it so that a player can not gank other ships for a living anymore. You can not PvP combat with war ships for a living. It will drain your funds. As should ganking miners. As said by CCP.

All of the above is adapting instead of whinning about it. Making high sec not safe for miners is possible if you want to do it.

Eve in my opinion has a method that the game was meant to be played. The rules often get bent by players trying to find a better way to maximize profit most often these are called exploits. IMHO this was almost an exploit but as the devs did not want to stop ganking all-together they allowed it to continue until such time as they could make the adjustment to end the exploit. In other words adapt to the change. Everything is still possible if you put your mind to it.

But now we may see people using mining hulls for unintended purposes. Another form of an exploit. There are always those players that will push a game into unintended directions just because they can. And this is the main reason why many other MMO's have failed. This is the reason why I left Asherons Call, and Dungeons and dragons online. If I leave EVE this woud be the reason as well. Players pushing a game into unintended direction trying to break it. Ganking miner hulls for a profit is an unintended direction for the game.

As I write this I know lots of it will be taken out of context because that is what people do to refute ideas.

because gimping your ~isk/hr~ in low/null is pointless considering that you're almost undoubtedly screwed if you get tackled

also fyi the best anom/mission fits generally pull it off with like one invuln and a booster, they don't overtank

What? I dont think its the care bear tears your getting a taste of here.

And here is the same fitting without all the fluff nobody bar 1% of the playerbase will ever care to bring on the field:

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i guess the 99% will otherwise have to cope with getting ganked, then

obviously CCP disagrees because they're aiming to make hisec nearly risk-free