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Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#581 - 2012-07-26 18:48:09 UTC
So... are we talking abotu warbarges?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#582 - 2012-07-26 18:49:35 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:


yeah so ore magically found a way to change every existing ship that they've sold the blueprints to produce

let's face it, lore justifications are bullshit



Thousands of years in the future, in an age of nanobot upgrades? Makes perfect sense, actually.


thousands of years in the future the empires also sell the blueprints for their most expensive ships with zero consideration as to how much they'd risk their fleet if their enemies got a hold of those specs

again, lore is bullshit unless you're a roleplayer

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Karash Amerius
The Seven Shadows
Scotch And Tea.
#583 - 2012-07-26 18:51:55 UTC
Eve is dead.

Long live Eve.

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Jed Bobby
Doomheim
#584 - 2012-07-26 18:53:32 UTC
we can buy blueprints for concord ships?
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#585 - 2012-07-26 18:55:14 UTC
Arvantis Sauril wrote:

I propose a heavy tax on all activity in Hi-Sec. Missions, mining, production, everything. I severely doubt the US gov't and all the powerful corporations in the us would allow me to go mining for gold wherever I wanted somewhere in New Jersey and that if I did find something that I wouldn't immediately be pressured/sued/incarcerated into selling the rights to the land or never going near where I found the gold again. Something needs to sustain these empires and Concord, right? If you want to AFK mine, fine, go ahead, but if you do so in Hi-Sec you should net very little if any profit after huge taxes for doing so in Empire space. It is their asteroid after all.



What happens in real world when one of those pseudo-socialist countries impose the next tax is that capital and big corps move to less stupid countries. See France. See Italy. And more.

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DrSmegma
Smegma United
#586 - 2012-07-26 18:56:55 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Arvantis Sauril wrote:

I propose a heavy tax on all activity in Hi-Sec. Missions, mining, production, everything. I severely doubt the US gov't and all the powerful corporations in the us would allow me to go mining for gold wherever I wanted somewhere in New Jersey and that if I did find something that I wouldn't immediately be pressured/sued/incarcerated into selling the rights to the land or never going near where I found the gold again. Something needs to sustain these empires and Concord, right? If you want to AFK mine, fine, go ahead, but if you do so in Hi-Sec you should net very little if any profit after huge taxes for doing so in Empire space. It is their asteroid after all.



What happens in real world when one of those pseudo-socialist countries impose the next tax is that capital and big corps move to less stupid countries. See France. See Italy. And more.


.........so be it.

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Killian Redbeard
Ironhand Research and Industrial Corp
#587 - 2012-07-26 18:58:31 UTC
Here is my thought on mining. I would not change the barge/exhumer EHP.

I would take Ice Mining out of Ice Belts and put it into Planetary Interaction. Ice Planets would be where you would find abundant Heavy water and liquid ozone. The race specific isotopes would be a P2 item. Each race requiring a different P1 item mixed with whatever P1 generic isotope is.

Require Asteroid belts to be scanned down and change the location and systems at down time. No longer can you just right click and warp to Asteroid belt.

I would then only suggest the Ice barge/exhumer be modified to a new role.
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#588 - 2012-07-26 18:58:33 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
Dave stark wrote:

i don't disagree on some points; i do think the skiff's ehp is a little overkill. in reality all the hulk needs is enough cpu/pg to fill all of its slots without HAVING to have a fitting mod to fit a tank.



I can't take it anymore - You keep saying that Hulks need to fit 'fitting mods' to survive a Catalyst gank.

This is utter bullcrap and you need to stop repeating it.

Dave Stark- let me introduce you to the Damage Control II.

Damage Control II: meet the Hulk.

Hulk - you now have enough EHP to survive a T2 Catalyst gank with perfect skills in highsec - and you STILL have 1 Low slot, 4 mid slots and two rig slots left to work with.

So dispense with the misinformation, please.


Yet we are presented with those LOL YOU MUST HAVE 32 K EHP OR YOU PLAY WRONG LOL fittings and they use a MAPC. End of MLU.

In the meanwhile I don't recall EVER having had to fit a MLU in any of my other PvP or PvE ships. And I have loads.

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Guttripper
State War Academy
Caldari State
#589 - 2012-07-26 19:00:58 UTC
After attempting to catch up on this thread, I concluded this thread is worse that pounding down hard liquor when it comes to killing brain cells...
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#590 - 2012-07-26 19:01:38 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Cost is not a balancing factor. The worth or value of a ship's modules is utterly irrelevant.
Soundwave repeating the mistakes of old and forgetting this very simple and perennially true fact is thoroughly heart-rending.


If Soundwave wasn't either trolling or using the wrong words, well, his post is pretty much the death of the PvP MMO.



He's an former Goon. He too is out to ruin YOUR game.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#591 - 2012-07-26 19:04:29 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yet we are presented with those LOL YOU MUST HAVE 32 K EHP OR YOU PLAY WRONG LOL fittings and they use a MAPC. End of MLU.

In the meanwhile I don't recall EVER having had to fit a MLU in any of my other PvP or PvE ships. And I have loads.


yeah no PvP ship needs an MLU because, you see, it's not going anywhere close to an asteroid

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#592 - 2012-07-26 19:04:40 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Dramaticus wrote:
I HAVE TO FIT SOMETHING OTHER THAN MINING LASER UPGRADES IF I WANT TO SURVIVE THIS IS AN OUTRAGE CCP AS A LOYAL CUSTOMER I DEMAND SATISFACTION THIS IS AGAINST MY CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS


it's more to do with the fact that the hulk can't fit a tank without fitting mods that's the issue. having to tank my hulk is fine; however the hulk doesn't have the fitting requirements to do so without fitting mods.

i've never had to use fitting mods to fit a combat ship, ever. combat ships have the power grid and cpu to fill all their mid and low slots without fitting mods, why should a hulk be forced to use fitting mods to fill all the slots on the ship?


The following combat ships require at least one fitting mod.
Arty Cane
Every Logistics ship Ever.
Hellcats (that T2 Elutrition rig? That's a fitting mod)
100mn Tengus (Officer Fitting mods, even).
Stealth Bombers
Fleet Dictors
AHACs (Zealots need their RCU)
Sniper HACs

You haven't flown many combat ships, have you?


I have all sorts of ary canes and no one ever used a fitting mod.

Maybe that's some specialty fitting but guess what, if I don't like it I can choose one of 1000 other cane fittings that don't need it.

What can I fit instead of a MAPC or bulkheads in a Hulk to get it to those fabled "T2 tank ships" levels? Nothing.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#593 - 2012-07-26 19:05:04 UTC
i'm going to see if i can get a fleet of battle skiffs together... set them for pvp...

you can still fit nuets on the highs right and use the drones for dps?

would be epic null sec roams... kinda pricy but worth it for the lulz

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#594 - 2012-07-26 19:05:31 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yet we are presented with those LOL YOU MUST HAVE 32 K EHP OR YOU PLAY WRONG LOL fittings and they use a MAPC. End of MLU.

In the meanwhile I don't recall EVER having had to fit a MLU in any of my other PvP or PvE ships. And I have loads.


yeah no PvP ship needs an MLU because, you see, it's not going anywhere close to an asteroid


Sorry I meant MAPC. Should've been obvious but hey... any straw is good eh?

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#595 - 2012-07-26 19:06:30 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Yet we are presented with those LOL YOU MUST HAVE 32 K EHP OR YOU PLAY WRONG LOL fittings and they use a MAPC. End of MLU.

In the meanwhile I don't recall EVER having had to fit a MLU in any of my other PvP or PvE ships. And I have loads.


yeah no PvP ship needs an MLU because, you see, it's not going anywhere close to an asteroid


Sorry I meant MAPC.


if you think nobody fits MAPCs on pvp ships you've probably never flown a ship in PvP

almost every t1/t2/faction frigate fitting has an MAPC

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Jake Warbird
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#596 - 2012-07-26 19:07:10 UTC
So is this about the new mining barges? How much tears do they hold now?

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#597 - 2012-07-26 19:08:00 UTC
Ginseng Jita wrote:
You have instant AFK mining machine - with zero fear of gank.


False, they're not invulnerable and you can still use same mechanics to gank them.

brb
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#598 - 2012-07-26 19:08:14 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
So you can't be bothered to bring more dps to the fight? I fail to see the issue.
Maybe if you tried reading.

It has nothing to do with DPS. It has to do with the lead game designer using a thoroughly and completely discredited balance concept that became obsolete somewhere in the early Triassic era — a view on balance that simply does not work, and which has been proven beyond any doubt not to work time and time again (and which is responsible for one of the most egregious imbalances this game has offered — one that they are struggling to correct to this day).


Then the answer is the same your ilk has always given to everybody else: adapt or quit.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#599 - 2012-07-26 19:09:00 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Ginseng Jita wrote:
You have instant AFK mining machine - with zero fear of gank.


False, they're not invulnerable and you can still use same mechanics to gank them.


lmao "they can still be ganked guys! you only need 20 tornadoes"

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Arvantis Sauril
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#600 - 2012-07-26 19:09:01 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Arvantis Sauril wrote:

I propose a heavy tax on all activity in Hi-Sec. Missions, mining, production, everything. I severely doubt the US gov't and all the powerful corporations in the us would allow me to go mining for gold wherever I wanted somewhere in New Jersey and that if I did find something that I wouldn't immediately be pressured/sued/incarcerated into selling the rights to the land or never going near where I found the gold again. Something needs to sustain these empires and Concord, right? If you want to AFK mine, fine, go ahead, but if you do so in Hi-Sec you should net very little if any profit after huge taxes for doing so in Empire space. It is their asteroid after all.



What happens in real world when one of those pseudo-socialist countries impose the next tax is that capital and big corps move to less stupid countries. See France. See Italy. And more.



Exactly. A capsuleer is supposed to be a demigod in space. If the income generation in hi sec was far less than it is, people would be out in low and null and be forced to interact. Leave Hi-sec for the truly new players or for trading hubs. Limit ship size in Hi sec, I see no reason why these vast NPC empires would allow self obsessed lunatic immortals to fly around in Battleships. The only thing Hi-Sec should retain, imo, as an advantage over Low and Null is in industry production. We need more reasons to interact with one another and more tension over resources. Not more reasons to go hide in our mission rooms and Worm Holes and Asteroid belts feeling 100% safe all the time.