EVE General Discussion

Yes.

Cost is not a balancing factor. The worth or value of a ship's modules is utterly irrelevant.
Soundwave repeating the mistakes of old and forgetting this very simple and perennially true fact is thoroughly heart-rending.

Because the miners never did it and thus aren't a party in the conversation. Had miners ever been intelligent enough to fit a tank, and gankers whined that suddenly ships survived, then the miners could have countered with that argument, just like how gankers countered the miner's whines with “fit a tank”.

What we have here, though, is that the miners never did anything to warrant the need to tell the gankers what to do.

That is the definition of change my friend. What once was possible, is no longer.

Risk vs reward. Effort vs AFK.

Why should an unarmed mining ship feel like it is 100% safe in space? Space is so unbelievably massive that it is impossible to comprehend. Why should one lone miner in an exhumer feel 100% safe from possible attack while mining some asteroids? As Mara Rin (spelling?) said, the separation of smart, active miners, from those who choose to always fit for yield is effectively destroyed by this change. Hi sec mining becomes only about how many characters you can throw at the rocks. (And maybe it always was, but with these changes there is no longer predation, of any kind.)

These changes point at the game becoming more segregated, which is a terrible idea, imo. I understand that a great many mining players were very unhappy at losing their expensive ships to incentivized predation, but this is about the worst possible way to address that issue. A minor buff to the mining ships to help them not get obliterated by a destroyer and instead require a gank cruiser? Fine. But this? This is...a bit much.

If there was some huge fee that you had to pay to Concord for protection, or if all the asteroids in hi-sec vanished, then, ok, but creating or rewarding any kind of activity with low player interaction while at the same time making DEV Blogs about changing Moon goo due to the high rewards vs low interaction it requires on a micro scale, that just makes me wonder why I bothered getting a 3 month sub 4 days ago. You cannot reward it on one side and punish it on the other. When you do that you are no different than WoW devs tuning the "knobs" when encounters are too difficult. is this a theme park or is it a space sandbox?

So increasing the EHP on Exhumers killed EVE?

*dies laughing*

Richard Desturned Troll is best troll.

Do you want to test your theory?

It's not profitably at all to gank a Hulk mining in a belt, unless the Hulk pilot chooses not to protect their investment by fitting a proper tank.

9,000 Exhumer kills says that most miners don't bother taking any steps to safeguard their 300m investment.

What theory?

Fun fact: a destroyer could never kill a Hulk unless the Hulk pilot actively chose to make it happen.

oh right, I forgot that gankers are actually the only players in the equation here

hint: they made it easier for the miners

let's not forget that amarr battleships can't fit a full rack of tachyon lasers (that's without a plate or anything else) without fitting mods or ACR rigs

oh and virtually every t1/t2/faction frigate fitting needs at least an MAPC, i don't get why dudes are whining about "i need fitting mods and that doesn't let me fit MY MLUS because I shouldn't make sacrifices to fit a tank like everyone else in this game because I am a special snowflake, a miner"

Soundwave didn't say that.

If you find a shuttle full of PLEXes or freighter full of officer mods go ahead and do whatever you want. If they're stupid enough to haul those they really deserve to lose it. How much is salvage worth? Not much. Most of your profit comes from items dropped from cargohold.

Ganking a Hulk and getting 25M worth of salvage from wreck is different story.

Or just go shoot people in lowsec/nullsec/wormhole. Very good chance that some of them might shoot back.