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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3401 - 2012-09-07 19:47:48 UTC
Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3402 - 2012-09-07 19:49:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Yokai Mitsuhide
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different?


Because miners have 6 ships (barges/exhumers)
Barges should be the harder ones to fit cpu/pg wise, not exhumers...but you have hundreds of ships outside of the mining profession. Not everyone will use the extra cpu to fit tank but whats wrong with giving the 3 exhumers more cpu to give us more fitting options? It's not like we can pick a different race or line of ships to fit...we are stuck with 3 exhumers.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3403 - 2012-09-07 20:07:23 UTC
If you want more tank, then maybe you should fly the exhumer that's designed for tank.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#3404 - 2012-09-07 20:07:55 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different?


Because miners have 6 ships (barges/exhumers)
Barges should be the harder ones to fit cpu/pg wise, not exhumers...but you have hundreds of ships outside of the mining profession. Not everyone will use the extra cpu to fit tank but whats wrong with giving the 3 exhumers more cpu to give us more fitting options? It's not like we can pick a different race or line of ships to fit...we are stuck with 3 exhumers.

Miners are grouped with industrialists, so we also have all the Indies, plus the Orca and for non HS ops, the Rorq.
Infinite Force
#3405 - 2012-09-07 20:21:30 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
If you want more tank, then maybe you should fly the exhumer that's designed for tank.

Bah .. "Use an Orca" (tm)

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3406 - 2012-09-07 20:32:43 UTC
Corina Jarr wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Again, since you seem incapable of comprehending: many PVP ships have to use fitting mods and/or rigs as well. Why should the exhumers be any different?


Because miners have 6 ships (barges/exhumers)
Barges should be the harder ones to fit cpu/pg wise, not exhumers...but you have hundreds of ships outside of the mining profession. Not everyone will use the extra cpu to fit tank but whats wrong with giving the 3 exhumers more cpu to give us more fitting options? It's not like we can pick a different race or line of ships to fit...we are stuck with 3 exhumers.

Miners are grouped with industrialists, so we also have all the Indies, plus the Orca and for non HS ops, the Rorq.


Mining ships, Rorq/Orca can't mine(Minus drones) and really...industrial ships are very stupid for mining in.
It's not like im asking for a game breaking change, I just think a slight buff to the CPU output of the mackinaw and in return you lower the base HP. That way we could easily fit all of our slots for tanking if we so choose without the need of a cpu upgrade/rig or implants.
It wouldn't create an imbalance at all, and I still think exhumers deserve it for being the top tier mining ship you can get. Ill stop complaining if they say create Tech 3 mining barges for us to customize ourselves or create higher end mining vessels.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3407 - 2012-09-07 20:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
No, you don't deserve anything.
You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#3408 - 2012-09-07 20:54:41 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, you don't deserve anything.
You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?


Pretty sure its so he can fit 3MLU's and a Ice rig. Greedy pigs are greedy pigs
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3409 - 2012-09-07 20:55:25 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way.



You simply haven't found the way to do it. The old mack could be made gank proof so the new one is even easyer. I'll see about posting some fits when I get access to my PC.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3410 - 2012-09-07 20:57:09 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, you don't deserve anything.
You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?


I don't want more...unless they nerf the hitpoints. If it stays the way it is now, I'm fine the way it is...but if it gets nerfed...we deserve more cpu.
It deserves more than a "decent" tank...you can't train any higher mining ships than exhumers. Would be like me complaining that Titans have too much ehp and do to much dps. Why should they get both huge tanks and high dps? Shouldn't that have to pick? No..they shouldn't because thats what they are designed for...just like exhumers are the best line of ships for miners..they should at least feel like they are. So I think they should be left alone until CCP designs a new line of higher end mining ships.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3411 - 2012-09-07 20:58:24 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way.



You simply haven't found the way to do it. The old mack could be made gank proof so the new one is even easyer. I'll see about posting some fits when I get access to my PC.


Nothing is Gank proof dude, you know this.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3412 - 2012-09-07 20:59:27 UTC
MIrple wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, you don't deserve anything.
You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?


Pretty sure its so he can fit 3MLU's and a Ice rig. Greedy pigs are greedy pigs


I like your reading abilities. I said previously that I don't care about yield or isk/hr so I don't fit any mining upgrades...I fit all tank. Learn to read before making stupid comments.
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#3413 - 2012-09-07 21:00:13 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, you don't deserve anything.
You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?


I don't want more...unless they nerf the hitpoints. If it stays the way it is now, I'm fine the way it is...but if it gets nerfed...we deserve more cpu.
It deserves more than a "decent" tank...you can't train any higher mining ships than exhumers. Would be like me complaining that Titans have too much ehp and do to much dps. Why should they get both huge tanks and high dps? Shouldn't that have to pick? No..they shouldn't because thats what they are designed for...just like exhumers are the best line of ships for miners..they should at least feel like they are. So I think they should be left alone until CCP designs a new line of higher end mining ships.


And here is where you show you don't know anything about the game. The Titan can either do High DPS or have a Huge Tank it can not do both at the same time.
Abel Merkabah
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3414 - 2012-09-07 21:04:02 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way.



You simply haven't found the way to do it. The old mack could be made gank proof so the new one is even easyer. I'll see about posting some fits when I get access to my PC.


Nothing is Gank proof dude, you know this.


I'm sure plenty of miners that fly intelligently would argue against that statement...and they probably don't even need to fit a tank...

Fly smart and pay attention to your surroundings and you will be effectively gank proof...

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Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3415 - 2012-09-07 21:04:22 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, you don't deserve anything.
You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?


I don't want more...unless they nerf the hitpoints. If it stays the way it is now, I'm fine the way it is...but if it gets nerfed...we deserve more cpu.
It deserves more than a "decent" tank...you can't train any higher mining ships than exhumers. Would be like me complaining that Titans have too much ehp and do to much dps. Why should they get both huge tanks and high dps? Shouldn't that have to pick? No..they shouldn't because thats what they are designed for...just like exhumers are the best line of ships for miners..they should at least feel like they are. So I think they should be left alone until CCP designs a new line of higher end mining ships.


And here is where you show you don't know anything about the game. The Titan can either do High DPS or have a Huge Tank it can not do both at the same time.


Nice way to deflect your inability to read :)
You're right, the fact that I'm not a pro on Titans means I don't know anything about EVE at all :)
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#3416 - 2012-09-07 21:06:49 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


Nothing is Gank proof dude, you know this.


99% of gankers are after profit. I have fits that will withstand a tornado with ease which is far more than most miners will face. Some require at least three tornados, something you will most likely never have happen to you.

But you wont be needing supertank barges, just a tank that make you unprofitable which is very easy to get.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3417 - 2012-09-07 21:07:26 UTC
Abel Merkabah wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


But current Mackinaws can't fit all tank without a cpu upgrade or cpu rig included. Or at least I haven't found a way.



You simply haven't found the way to do it. The old mack could be made gank proof so the new one is even easyer. I'll see about posting some fits when I get access to my PC.


Nothing is Gank proof dude, you know this.


I'm sure plenty of miners that fly intelligently would argue against that statement...and they probably don't even need to fit a tank...

Fly smart and pay attention to your surroundings and you will be effectively gank proof...


That doesn't keep you safe. Nothing stopping the gank crew from having a scout warp in in a harmless looking ship getting close to you and creating a bookmark or having the others warp to him. By the time you see what is going on...you won't have time to escape. And I am not saying you should have time to escape...if you're not tanked and get caught by suicide gankers you deserve it...but that isn't what this is about. It's about making the Mackinaw more balanced in comparison to the other 2 which I can admit it's not... but some people just want to nerf it too much.
MIrple
Black Sheep Down
Tactical Narcotics Team
#3418 - 2012-09-07 21:09:24 UTC
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, you don't deserve anything.
You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?


I don't want more...unless they nerf the hitpoints. If it stays the way it is now, I'm fine the way it is...but if it gets nerfed...we deserve more cpu.
It deserves more than a "decent" tank...you can't train any higher mining ships than exhumers. Would be like me complaining that Titans have too much ehp and do to much dps. Why should they get both huge tanks and high dps? Shouldn't that have to pick? No..they shouldn't because thats what they are designed for...just like exhumers are the best line of ships for miners..they should at least feel like they are. So I think they should be left alone until CCP designs a new line of higher end mining ships.


And here is where you show you don't know anything about the game. The Titan can either do High DPS or have a Huge Tank it can not do both at the same time.


Nice way to deflect your inability to read :)
You're right, the fact that I'm not a pro on Titans means I don't know anything about EVE at all :)


No you are arguing for more CPU so you can fit a tank and still have max yield. I was pointing out that other ships have to make a choice between DPS and Tank why should miners be any different.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3419 - 2012-09-07 21:10:17 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:


Nothing is Gank proof dude, you know this.


99% of gankers are after profit. I have fits that will withstand a tornado with ease which is far more than most miners will face. Some require at least three tornados, something you will most likely never have happen to you.

But you wont be needing supertank barges, just a tank that make you unprofitable which is very easy to get.


I agree, but what is the problem with letting us have that extra cpu to fit a tiny bit of extra tank? You know that if we had the extra cpu most idiot miners will use it to fit a 3rd mining upgrade making it even easier to kill them. So I see no downside, more cpu, less base hitpoints, those of us who want to tank will be able to tank that little bit of extra while greedy miners and bots all fit for yield. Both sides win here.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#3420 - 2012-09-07 21:11:44 UTC
MIrple wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
MIrple wrote:
Yokai Mitsuhide wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
No, you don't deserve anything.
You have enough CPU to fit a decent tank along with mining lasers. Why do you want more?


I don't want more...unless they nerf the hitpoints. If it stays the way it is now, I'm fine the way it is...but if it gets nerfed...we deserve more cpu.
It deserves more than a "decent" tank...you can't train any higher mining ships than exhumers. Would be like me complaining that Titans have too much ehp and do to much dps. Why should they get both huge tanks and high dps? Shouldn't that have to pick? No..they shouldn't because thats what they are designed for...just like exhumers are the best line of ships for miners..they should at least feel like they are. So I think they should be left alone until CCP designs a new line of higher end mining ships.


And here is where you show you don't know anything about the game. The Titan can either do High DPS or have a Huge Tank it can not do both at the same time.


Nice way to deflect your inability to read :)
You're right, the fact that I'm not a pro on Titans means I don't know anything about EVE at all :)


No you are arguing for more CPU so you can fit a tank and still have max yield. I was pointing out that other ships have to make a choice between DPS and Tank why should miners be any different.


Not all ships have to do that. Also...it still comes back to you have hundreds of combat ships...why should miners be any different? well because we have SIX SHIPS TOTAL.