EVE General Discussion

That's an improvement over the current situation, but still runs into the problem of one ship being effectively worthless. The Hulk would then be able to tank enough to remove any significant risk of suicide ganking, and the Skiff has the same cargo as the previous Cargo hulk while being nigh-invulnerable. So why would you ever use a Mackinaw.

I don't see any reason for the Hulk and Mack to have different tanks, nor do I see any reason for the Mack and Skiff to have different Yields, nor do I see any reason for the Hulk and Skiff to have different cargo bays.

Let each one have one pillar of the three useful ones where it flies high. Give the Skiff its current fantastic tank, but make it just as much effort to use as the Hulk (as far as hauling) so you have to pay attention to avoid waste. Give the Hulk its current great yield, but let it be vulnerable, so you have to pay attention to keep it safe. Give the Mack it's current fantastic Hold, so you don't need a hauler to support it, but let it be vulnerable, so you have to pay attention to keep it safe.


The problem with just changing the Mackinaw is that if you do it enough to make it require active safety measures to remain unprofitable to gank, the Skiff becomes purely dominant over it because of its 15k Ore bay.

wtf?

Wheres my post? CCP, fix this forum

No easy targets that have trouble affording the replacement ship.

So
1/3 the yield

Drop EHP to ~3k

Or ganking could be used as a method of killing people that did not reward the ganker, except in laughs.

where as when the barge changes went on sisi gankers didn't just cry a river they cried whole oceans forgetting the barge changes are part of the ONGOING ship re-balance to ALL ships.

what i've read/seen ccp are considering nerfing the cane "because it does too many things too well" where as I'd point to the cane and say it's probley the best designed T1 BC in the game and the rest need work, take the drake I've never gotten why a ship thats shield tanked like that is so damn slow it might as well be armour tanked? another thing belive CCP are considering doing is nerfing T3s so they cant use the 100mn fits.
as said the barge chances are just part of the ongoing ship rebalances.

Of course mining ISK varies with mineral value. Removal of drones and ganking was having an upward impact on mineral prices. Miners who adjusted were earning the highest income rate ever due to high min/ice prices.

Turning around and rebalancing the new barges to be both highly gank-resistance AND bot friendly?
Its almost like CCP wants miner income to be as low as possible by lowering the bar even further.

Which relates to the links....?



So now you want us to believe that you don't understand what the purpose of making strawmen arguments is?

Go take a look peasent. My corp forced up Caldari ice value with just a month of bot hunting and its value stayed put right up untill the macks were buffed. Now we have AFK ice bot fleets back in the forge and the value is dropping like a rock and there is very little we can do to save the miners again.

We want miners to make better isk.

I don't mine ice, so I don't care. Ore has always sold well for me for the few years I have been playing, that is all I care about in relation to mining.
And if you're going to call me a Peasant, at least spell it correctly.

Edit: You guys have the manpower and funds to keep ganking bots, don't let a little buff in hitpoints stop you. Use more ships.

Except that the Mackinaw tanks plenty to deal with any profit motivated ganks, and mines the same or better than the skiff while having double the cargo hold. So why use the Skiff?