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Frying Doom
#3101 - 2012-08-31 09:36:03 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
You propaganda posters no, only your masters.

As to bad faith that depends on your terminology. I am sure a lot of people have fully believed in their rulers propaganda over the years.

After all it is well known that allied troops eat children.


Frying Doom wrote:
No you do personal attacks. I was just stating that you never seem to gone against the party line (As I have seen Communist style propaganda pictures involved, I could say communist but I won't)


As we are discussing my posting, show me the Propaganda posters that I have posted or admit that you lied.

As to bad faith, you accused me of being beholden to a "party" and having "masters." Now you're admitting that I am neither beholden to a "party" nor do I have "masters?"

Quite a U turn for something without an apology.

Oh another talk drivel and see if it works post. You resort to those rather easily.

No you have not posted propaganda pictures (as far as I know), it is your masters that do that.
As to towing the party line and following your masters lead. Yep you do this completely.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pipa Porto
#3102 - 2012-08-31 09:36:33 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Because Suicide Ganks are the only risk HS miners face. Without suicide ganking, there is no benefit for miners who are better equipped to cope with risks. When Suicide Ganking someone is profitable, someone will do it. When it is not (for instance, when someone bothers to Tank their Hulk), nobody (or very, very few people) will do it.

So, since suicide ganking Mackinaws is not profitable, nobody (or very, very few people) do it, so there's no reason to use the Skiff, ever. And since nobody (or very, very few people) are suicide ganking miners, the people who are too stupid or lazy to avoid suicide gankers don't gain any value from their ability.

When Gankers are plentiful, Ore Prices go up, so those who manage to avoid getting ganked get a higher return for their efforts, while those who cannot manage to do so get a lower return (cause they have to tank their ship or they have to recoup losses). Nerfing or Removing Suicide Ganking reduces or removes the profits that smart/industrious miners make over stupid/lazy miners.


Skiff is useless and indeed isn't used in any way:
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=17358069
Just one from quick Google search. You can find more but you have to learn how to use search engines first.

So, you want ship prices to go up? And you whine about how possible profit you could make from suicide ganking drops?


Sorry, I meant to add the caveat "for mining." Since that's a bait ship.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#3103 - 2012-08-31 09:38:19 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

Oh another talk drivel and see if it works post. You resort to those rather easily.

No you have not posted propaganda pictures (as far as I know), it is your masters that do that.
As to towing the party line and following your masters lead. Yep you do this completely.



And since you're accusing me of having a party line to "tow" and masters to "follow" do you have any evidence to show that I have either?

Or is disagreement with you evidence enough of some massive conspiracy?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3104 - 2012-08-31 09:40:10 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sorry, I meant to add the caveat "for mining." Since that's a bait ship.


So? Do you have a problem with bait ships?
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#3105 - 2012-08-31 09:42:23 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sorry, I meant to add the caveat "for mining." Since that's a bait ship.


Has to be... 28,673 damage received!?

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Frying Doom
#3106 - 2012-08-31 09:44:35 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Oh another talk drivel and see if it works post. You resort to those rather easily.

No you have not posted propaganda pictures (as far as I know), it is your masters that do that.
As to towing the party line and following your masters lead. Yep you do this completely.



And since you're accusing me of having a party line to "tow" and masters to "follow" do you have any evidence to show that I have either?

Or is disagreement with you evidence enough of some massive conspiracy?

The evidence is in these forums, your masters say this is good you are there not long after repeating the same things.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pipa Porto
#3107 - 2012-08-31 09:45:35 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sorry, I meant to add the caveat "for mining." Since that's a bait ship.


So? Do you have a problem with bait ships?


Not at all. But the stated purpose of the Skiff is to be a mining ship with a bunch of EHP for, and I'll quote the Dev Blog,

Quote:
The Procurer and Skiff are made for protection against suicide gank, or NPCs, by giving a large enough buffer to react to incoming attacks, while paying for that with a lower mining yield.


So, since the Mackinaw provides sufficient protection against Suicide Gank to render it rare enough to be ignored (and all the Exhumers can easily deal with belt rats), what is the purpose of the Skiff in the context of mining?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#3108 - 2012-08-31 09:47:19 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sorry, I meant to add the caveat "for mining." Since that's a bait ship.


Has to be... 28,673 damage received!?


Killmails record raw damage received after resistances. So it's the sum total of those "X has done Y damage with a Rocket" messages. In other words, it's your Raw HP plus whatever raw HP you healed.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#3109 - 2012-08-31 09:48:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Frying Doom wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Oh another talk drivel and see if it works post. You resort to those rather easily.

No you have not posted propaganda pictures (as far as I know), it is your masters that do that.
As to towing the party line and following your masters lead. Yep you do this completely.



And since you're accusing me of having a party line to "tow" and masters to "follow" do you have any evidence to show that I have either?

Or is disagreement with you evidence enough of some massive conspiracy?

The evidence is in these forums, your masters say this is good you are there not long after repeating the same things.



So then you'll have no trouble presenting your evidence of my colluding with "masters" to "tow" a "party line."


(And again, I'd thank you to keep all of your accusations in the thread where you started them instead of running off to this one.)

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Frying Doom
#3110 - 2012-08-31 09:49:51 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Oh another talk drivel and see if it works post. You resort to those rather easily.

No you have not posted propaganda pictures (as far as I know), it is your masters that do that.
As to towing the party line and following your masters lead. Yep you do this completely.



And since you're accusing me of having a party line to "tow" and masters to "follow" do you have any evidence to show that I have either?

Or is disagreement with you evidence enough of some massive conspiracy?

The evidence is in these forums, your masters say this is good you are there not long after repeating the same things.



So then you'll have no trouble presenting your evidence of my colluding with "masters" to "tow" a "party line."

Like that would work, you perfectly well know you follow the party line so any thing pointed out to you like, I don't know this thread, you will just deny.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pipa Porto
#3111 - 2012-08-31 09:54:48 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Oh another talk drivel and see if it works post. You resort to those rather easily.

No you have not posted propaganda pictures (as far as I know), it is your masters that do that.
As to towing the party line and following your masters lead. Yep you do this completely.



And since you're accusing me of having a party line to "tow" and masters to "follow" do you have any evidence to show that I have either?

Or is disagreement with you evidence enough of some massive conspiracy?

The evidence is in these forums, your masters say this is good you are there not long after repeating the same things.



So then you'll have no trouble presenting your evidence of my colluding with "masters" to "tow" a "party line."

Like that would work, you perfectly well know you follow the party line so any thing pointed out to you like, I don't know this thread, you will just deny.


So what you're saying is that you have no evidence of collusion to present? If that is the case, on what good faith basis were you accusing me of such?

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#3112 - 2012-08-31 09:55:34 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sorry, I meant to add the caveat "for mining." Since that's a bait ship.


So? Do you have a problem with bait ships?


Not at all. But the stated purpose of the Skiff is to be a mining ship with a bunch of EHP for, and I'll quote the Dev Blog,

Quote:
The Procurer and Skiff are made for protection against suicide gank, or NPCs, by giving a large enough buffer to react to incoming attacks, while paying for that with a lower mining yield.


So, since the Mackinaw provides sufficient protection against Suicide Gank to render it rare enough to be ignored (and all the Exhumers can easily deal with belt rats), what is the purpose of the Skiff in the context of mining?


So, you are saying that ships can't be used for any other purpose other than what they were made for?

If I want to mine in a destroyer I will mine in a destroyer, you're not the one who tells me what I'm allowed to do.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#3113 - 2012-08-31 09:57:05 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Killmails record raw damage received after resistances. So it's the sum total of those "X has done Y damage with a Rocket" messages. In other words, it's your Raw HP plus whatever raw HP you healed.


Ah, the SB... I see, thanks!

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Frying Doom
#3114 - 2012-08-31 09:59:47 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Like that would work, you perfectly well know you follow the party line so any thing pointed out to you like, I don't know this thread, you will just deny.


So what you're saying is that you have no evidence of collusion to present? If that is the case, on what good faith basis were you accusing me of such?

Exactly what I said. Will admit there brainwashing must be good, you don't even realize you look like a mindless drone.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pipa Porto
#3115 - 2012-08-31 10:02:15 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Sorry, I meant to add the caveat "for mining." Since that's a bait ship.


So? Do you have a problem with bait ships?


Not at all. But the stated purpose of the Skiff is to be a mining ship with a bunch of EHP for, and I'll quote the Dev Blog,

Quote:
The Procurer and Skiff are made for protection against suicide gank, or NPCs, by giving a large enough buffer to react to incoming attacks, while paying for that with a lower mining yield.


So, since the Mackinaw provides sufficient protection against Suicide Gank to render it rare enough to be ignored (and all the Exhumers can easily deal with belt rats), what is the purpose of the Skiff in the context of mining?


So, you are saying that ships can't be used for any other purpose other than what they were made for?

If I want to mine in a destroyer I will mine in a destroyer, you're not the one who tells me what I'm allowed to do.


Where did I say ships can't be used for any other purpose other than what they were made for?

What I said was that if a ship is effectively entirely outclassed by another ship in their class, then either they're underpowered or the ship outclassing them is overpowered. In the case of the Skiff, the Mackinaw has a better Yield, a bigger Ore bay, and tanks enough that Suicide Ganking operates at a significant loss. So the Skiff is effectively entirely outclassed. Buffing the Mack doesn't do anything, because the issue is that, for mining, tank after a certain point doesn't really matter, and buffing the other 2 useful stats just makes it another Mackinaw. So, to fix the problem of the Skiff being outclassed by ships that are supposed to be different, yet equal, you have to fix the overpowered buff to the EHP of Mackinaws and (to a lesser extent) Hulks.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#3116 - 2012-08-31 10:03:59 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Like that would work, you perfectly well know you follow the party line so any thing pointed out to you like, I don't know this thread, you will just deny.


So what you're saying is that you have no evidence of collusion to present? If that is the case, on what good faith basis were you accusing me of such?

Exactly what I said. Will admit there brainwashing must be good, you don't even realize you look like a mindless drone.


Right now, your refusal to present your evidence simply makes it look like you have none.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Frying Doom
#3117 - 2012-08-31 10:07:01 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Like that would work, you perfectly well know you follow the party line so any thing pointed out to you like, I don't know this thread, you will just deny.


So what you're saying is that you have no evidence of collusion to present? If that is the case, on what good faith basis were you accusing me of such?

Exactly what I said. Will admit there brainwashing must be good, you don't even realize you look like a mindless drone.


Right now, your refusal to present your evidence simply makes it look like you have none.

No the fact you are entering new posts into what essentially is the evidence just makes you look like a mindless drone, unable to think for yourself but I am sure your masters appreciate the service.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Pipa Porto
#3118 - 2012-08-31 10:12:28 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

Like that would work, you perfectly well know you follow the party line so any thing pointed out to you like, I don't know this thread, you will just deny.


So what you're saying is that you have no evidence of collusion to present? If that is the case, on what good faith basis were you accusing me of such?

Exactly what I said. Will admit there brainwashing must be good, you don't even realize you look like a mindless drone.


Right now, your refusal to present your evidence simply makes it look like you have none.

No the fact you are entering new posts into what essentially is the evidence just makes you look like a mindless drone, unable to think for yourself but I am sure your masters appreciate the service.


Agreement is evidence of collusion now? Well I'll be.

Well, then, by your reasoning, I must be colluding with Ronald Reagan(I agree with a bunch of his policies), CCP(agree with a bunch of things that they do), You(I've probably agreed with you before), and the Supreme Court of the United States(agree with a bunch of their rulings too).

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Frying Doom
#3119 - 2012-08-31 10:15:12 UTC
100% agreement is.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Debora Tsung
Perkone
Caldari State
#3120 - 2012-08-31 10:30:42 UTC
Herr Wilkus wrote:
The rare, clever miner who tanked his Hulk; well, he weathered the storm - and reaped the benefits as mineral prices rose.


Lol, I just read there are clever miners who tanked his hull and raped the benfeits. Lol

Stupidity should be a bannable offense.

Fighting back is more fun than not.

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