EVE General Discussion

This must be one of the longest, if not the longest whine threads in the history of these forums.

Personally I think its nice if I want to gank someone I still can, even if I can't be penny pinching scum and actually have to fork out real isk to get some real tears.

It is a valid work around the War dec mechanic and as a work around it should not be able to be done on the cheap.
You want Hi-sec miner tears, well as they are such a valuable commodity you need to pay for them.

Can't Suicide Gank a Titan, SuperCarrier, or Rorqual.

Well you know, miners that fit a good tank pre-patch couldn't be ganked by said solo ganker in a destroyer either.

Nope. It took more Isk to gank a properly tanked Hulk pre-1.2 than the Hulk dropped (or, at the very best, with a special snowflake gank squad, the same).

That breakeven, Special Snowflake, only-works-in-0.5-with-everything-in-their-favor gank took many more than 2 catalysts.

Only if the miner sacrificed the tank in favouring max yield/cargo. A good tank did not sacrifice itself for more yield & could not be profitably ganked.

No OP now you have to work for it. Have you tried scanning barges lately? They are still doing dumb stuff going all yield with no tank.

Before the changes you could roll up on any of the barges and WTFpwn them with a destroyer, if the miner had tank or yield.

Now miners have a choice, and you have to get creative.......B.

Hmm.....24K EHP for a Mackinaw and 31K EHP for a Hulk.
(with good skills/fitting without fleet boosts).

That seemed pretty decent to me, especially considering tank-fit Exhumers rarely, if ever, got ganked.

Look at the evidence, guy - check the Hulkaggeddon killboard.
Show me all the DCII/MSEII equipped Exhumers getting slaughtered.

Miners HAD the tools to protect themselves - but their greed or ignorance always got in the way.

CCP finally decided to save miners from themselves.

If they had just buffed the tanking potential of the Exhumer (ie, more slots or grid....) I'd have been cool with it.
But CCP went way further than that.

They slapped massive EHP directly to the hull taking responsibility for the tank out of the hands of the pilot.
Then, they made the "Cargo fit" Exhumer impossible, while simultaneously all AFK/botters squeal with delight over the new Mackinaws and Retreivers. Hulks become an endangered species and botting gangs of 2 week old ice-belt Retreivers multiply. Botters are literally saying, "go ahead CCP ban us - we'll just roll up more two week alts and laugh all the way to the RMT bank"

The real tragedy? The miners WERE getting better.
Gankers were slowly 'tutoring' miners. How to stay alert, how to tank - they WERE getting better at the game. I've seen far more tanked, attentive and organized miners in the last few months than ever before. (High mineral prices, no doubt) More smart little pigs building houses out of brick and prospering.

Then CCP goes, "Meh, whatever. Here's 4x the EHP, and AFK all you like. No need to play smart, CCP SugarDaddy is here."

Relax. Most miners will still find ways to make themselves easy to kill.

Tanking npc rats is nothing NOTHING like tanking to deal with suicide ganks.

Ok, so show me all the killmails of well tanked Hulks to prove that they were too weak.

Oh, wait... you can't because there aren't any (relatively speaking).