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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2861 - 2012-08-07 21:30:36 UTC
Pankas Carter wrote:

The ONLY person responsible for a ship being destroyed are the people shooting at it.

They kill you because you made it worth killing you. That makes it your fault.
Pipa Porto
#2862 - 2012-08-07 21:32:42 UTC
Pankas Carter wrote:
Guns don't kill people, people letting other people shoot them kill people?

That's some twisted logic you got there.

The ONLY person responsible for a ship being destroyed are the people shooting at it.

Suicide gankers: parasites. Someone get the fungicide creme...


Yes, because the legitimate gameplay of an MMO is a perfect match to RL crime.

Next you're going to tell me that every time I win at Chess, I've overthrown a Monarchy.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2863 - 2012-08-07 21:32:50 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
nobody suicide ganks hulks for a profit, it's for sport

but "suicide ganking shouldn't be profitable" is a bit of a newsflash


I thought it was fairly obvious. I guess great minds think alike.

Wow, if I was a CCP dev I would def start to hate my player base with all the arrogant, snarky ass-hats who seem to think so highly of themselves, trying to tell the devs what is what.


because suicide ganking is generally done out of spite for the target (i.e. hulk ganks) or to profit off of the loot (i.e. hauler ganks, shiny ganks)

you see, this is why loot drops when you die

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2864 - 2012-08-07 21:34:26 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Pankas Carter wrote:

The ONLY person responsible for a ship being destroyed are the people shooting at it.

They kill you because you made it worth killing you. That makes it your fault.

No, it really doesn't. Those people went looking for someone worth killing in the case of searching for an untanked miner. If it were somehow purely the miner's fault they would explode upon contact with the "harshness of space" when undocking without a tank rather than need to wait for a ganker.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2865 - 2012-08-07 21:35:40 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
No, it really doesn't. Those people went looking for someone worth killing in the case of searching for an untanked miner. If it were somehow purely the miner's fault they would explode upon contact with the "harshness of space" when undocking without a tank rather than need to wait for a ganker.


who the **** cares about who is "responsible" for the loss of a ship

if you make yourself a tempting target, don't whine about getting ganked, thanks

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Pankas Carter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2866 - 2012-08-07 21:35:49 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Pankas Carter wrote:
Guns don't kill people, people letting other people shoot them kill people?

That's some twisted logic you got there.

The ONLY person responsible for a ship being destroyed are the people shooting at it.


hi, this is a game

please leave your silly RL analogies at the door


Hi, this is reality. Please leave your failure to understand logic on your side of the keyboard.

In game or in the real world, logic is logic. My analogy demonstrates the logic, and is just a tool. You're not supposed to read it literally.

Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#2867 - 2012-08-07 21:37:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Richard Desturned wrote:
Nerf Burger wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
nobody suicide ganks hulks for a profit, it's for sport

but "suicide ganking shouldn't be profitable" is a bit of a newsflash


I thought it was fairly obvious. I guess great minds think alike.

Wow, if I was a CCP dev I would def start to hate my player base with all the arrogant, snarky ass-hats who seem to think so highly of themselves, trying to tell the devs what is what.


because suicide ganking is generally done out of spite for the target (i.e. hulk ganks) or to profit off of the loot (i.e. hauler ganks, shiny ganks)

you see, this is why loot drops when you die


even after the dev told you, you still cling to your narrow minded perspective. There are other potential uses for cargo scanners besides just suicide ganks. I guess it takes a greater mind than yours to realize it.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2868 - 2012-08-07 21:37:42 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
No, it really doesn't. Those people went looking for someone worth killing in the case of searching for an untanked miner. If it were somehow purely the miner's fault they would explode upon contact with the "harshness of space" when undocking without a tank rather than need to wait for a ganker.


who the **** cares about who is "responsible" for the loss of a ship

if you make yourself a tempting target, don't whine about getting ganked, thanks

Not whining, but the explicit blame the victim syndrome in the last few post ignores a basic fact of ganking. Granted it's facilitated by the behaviors and fitting of the gankee, but then, if no one cared, why was it brought up?
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2869 - 2012-08-07 21:38:24 UTC
I remember when people would get mocked endlessly when they'd cry about losing their multibillion ISK ships on gates to gankers, having their stuff looted and probably even salvaged. Now everyone just has sympathy for the poor ~victim~ and they bleat risk/reward re: suicide ganking, despite it being literally the only risk left for anybody in hisec that isn't dumb enough to mine/haul/run missions during wardecs.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Pankas Carter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2870 - 2012-08-07 21:40:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Pankas Carter
Richard Desturned wrote:
I remember when people would get mocked endlessly when they'd cry about losing their multibillion ISK ships on gates to gankers, having their stuff looted and probably even salvaged. Now everyone just has sympathy for the poor ~victim~ and they bleat risk/reward re: suicide ganking, despite it being literally the only risk left for anybody in hisec that isn't dumb enough to mine/haul/run missions during wardecs.


Well, lets step back a minute and take stock:

You're a goon. Most of us would probably defend kicking puppies just to contradict you. Hide your corporation/alliance on the forum or post with an alt, if you want to have a rational discussion. I'm sorry, but that's the way things work. You all earned that reputation.

Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2871 - 2012-08-07 21:42:13 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
No, it really doesn't. Those people went looking for someone worth killing in the case of searching for an untanked miner. If it were somehow purely the miner's fault they would explode upon contact with the "harshness of space" when undocking without a tank rather than need to wait for a ganker.



Yes its really does. He chose not to fit a tank and faces the consiquences of his actions. It is laughably easy to avoid being ganked for profit.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#2872 - 2012-08-07 21:43:00 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
I remember when people would get mocked endlessly when they'd cry about losing their multibillion ISK ships on gates to gankers, having their stuff looted and probably even salvaged. Now everyone just has sympathy for the poor ~victim~ and they bleat risk/reward re: suicide ganking, despite it being literally the only risk left for anybody in hisec that isn't dumb enough to mine/haul/run missions during wardecs.

Oh well, that's just the way that it works nowadays I guess. Gankers are bad people Lol

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Pankas Carter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2873 - 2012-08-07 21:43:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Pankas Carter
baltec1 wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
No, it really doesn't. Those people went looking for someone worth killing in the case of searching for an untanked miner. If it were somehow purely the miner's fault they would explode upon contact with the "harshness of space" when undocking without a tank rather than need to wait for a ganker.



Yes its really does. He chose not to fit a tank and faces the consiquences of his actions. It is laughably easy to avoid being ganked for profit.


These consequences are completely arbitrary. As he said, he didn't explode for no reason. Someone made a decision to shoot him. The fault lies with the shooter, period.

Lets be clear here: i'm not saying ganking is necessarily wrong. You just need to accept the fact that the ganker is responsible for pulling the trigger. If bitching/whining/patching is the result of abusing it, well, that's your own damn fault.

Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2874 - 2012-08-07 21:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Nerf Burger wrote:
even after the dev told you, you still cling to your narrow minded perspective. There are other potential uses for cargo scanners besides just suicide ganks. I guess it takes a greater mind than yours to realize it.


I'm sorry that you're wrong. Any dev who says "suicide ganking was never intended to be profitable" is lying through his teeth.

I'd have more respect for him if he simply said "we no longer feel that suicide ganking should be profitable" because the game is absolutely designed to make ganking loaded haulers and shiny-fit ships profitable.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2875 - 2012-08-07 21:45:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Ok, lets try this one more time.

I'm not saying one should feel sorry for people who mine in untanked ships, move high value cargo while auto piloting or in noobship/untanked haulers, fly overblinged mission ships or whatever else is getting people shot for not thinking before they act. I'm just saying that another, opportunistic party is necessary to bring the event to its logical conclusion and as such fault cannot fall squarely on either party.

baltec1 wrote:
Yes its really does. He chose not to fit a tank and faces the consiquences of his actions. It is laughably easy to avoid being ganked for profit.


The consequences of those actions could easily be nothing just as well as they could be the loss of a ship as the other party in necessary. So while they can facilitate, and can be responsible for that, they didn't hit F1 on the keyboard of the gankship.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2876 - 2012-08-07 21:45:17 UTC
Nerf Burger wrote:

even after the dev told you, you still cling to your narrow minded perspective. There are other potential uses for cargo scanners besides just suicide ganks. I guess it takes a greater mind than yours to realize it.


Riddle me this.

If CCP are putting an end to ganking for profit why did they change the stats on barges so most of them can be ganked for profit still?
Yeep
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2877 - 2012-08-07 21:45:45 UTC
Pankas Carter wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
I remember when people would get mocked endlessly when they'd cry about losing their multibillion ISK ships on gates to gankers, having their stuff looted and probably even salvaged. Now everyone just has sympathy for the poor ~victim~ and they bleat risk/reward re: suicide ganking, despite it being literally the only risk left for anybody in hisec that isn't dumb enough to mine/haul/run missions during wardecs.


Well, lets step back a minute and take stock:

You're a goon. Most of us would probably defend kicking puppies just to contradict you. Hide your corporation/alliance on the forum or post with an alt, if you want to have a rational discussion. I'm sorry, but that's the way things work. You all earned that reputation.


So you're saying you disagree with him despite admitting he's right?
Nerf Burger
Doomheim
#2878 - 2012-08-07 21:47:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Nerf Burger
Richard Desturned wrote:
I remember when people would get mocked endlessly when they'd cry about losing their multibillion ISK ships on gates to gankers, having their stuff looted and probably even salvaged. Now everyone just has sympathy for the poor ~victim~ and they bleat risk/reward re: suicide ganking, despite it being literally the only risk left for anybody in hisec that isn't dumb enough to mine/haul/run missions during wardecs.


they prob eventually came realize that suicide ganking involves zero risk, zero skill and only hurts the game to the benefit of low-life trash who dedicate countless hours to the goal of annoying others, probably out of their own frustrations in life. Why would CCP continue to enable a minority of d-bags when the majority of their income comes from people who just like spaceships? It doesn't make sense. Greifers are trash people and I'm glad CCP is finally taking away their easymode.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2879 - 2012-08-07 21:49:04 UTC
Pankas Carter wrote:

These consequences are completely arbitrary. As he said, he didn't explode for no reason. Someone made a decision to shoot him. The fault lies with the shooter, period.

Lets be clear here: i'm not saying ganking is necessarily wrong. You just need to accept the fact that the ganker is responsible for pulling the trigger. If bitching/whining/patching is the result of abusing it, well, that's your own damn fault.


The person wouldnt be ganked if it wasnt worth it. It all ends with the victims choice, be it putting too much wealth in a poorly tanked ship or jumping blind into a bubble camp. It was the victim who put the cogs in motion.
Pankas Carter
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2880 - 2012-08-07 21:49:35 UTC
Yeep wrote:
Pankas Carter wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
I remember when people would get mocked endlessly when they'd cry about losing their multibillion ISK ships on gates to gankers, having their stuff looted and probably even salvaged. Now everyone just has sympathy for the poor ~victim~ and they bleat risk/reward re: suicide ganking, despite it being literally the only risk left for anybody in hisec that isn't dumb enough to mine/haul/run missions during wardecs.


Well, lets step back a minute and take stock:

You're a goon. Most of us would probably defend kicking puppies just to contradict you. Hide your corporation/alliance on the forum or post with an alt, if you want to have a rational discussion. I'm sorry, but that's the way things work. You all earned that reputation.


So you're saying you disagree with him despite admitting he's right?


Read a bit further, please:

Pankas Carter wrote:
Lets be clear here: i'm not saying ganking is necessarily wrong. You just need to accept the fact that the ganker is responsible for pulling the trigger. If bitching/whining/patching is the result of abusing it, well, that's your own damn fault.


Yea, I admit I'm being contrarian mostly to be a jerk. That said, I really wish you all would stop pretending you're doing nothing "wrong" - it's not the victim's fault. Whether or not what you did is a crime is not my debate, my debate is the fact that the miner didn't grab your hand, push the gun to his head, and pull your trigger.

Adama: Starbuck, what do you hear? Starbuck: Nothing but the rain. Adama: Then grab your gun and bring in the cat.