EVE General Discussion

Gawd, you ARE persistent, are you!?^^

Ok: In the real world, there are those that do stuff and those that help them do stuff... arguably, the latter ones, though they are in the majority, carry less responsibility for their actions. This is all well and good, until the "helpers" start to abuse the power given to them by the "doers"... usually that ends in relvolution OR, if that's not possible, outside intervention.

Notice any similarity to the current state of EVE?

*smirks* You know, most semi-professional chess players I know (a good friend of mine was in a club) are analy retentive guys... and VERY bad loosers.

As I said... I don't wanna go into a sociological discussion... my english would probably fail me half way in.

Personally I believe ganking in high sec for profit should be a hard find. Its essentially looking for an idiot in a super shiny ship
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=14210105
For example or now that the exhumer change is about to occur people who fly hulks in hi sec. Lets face it if they are still flying a hulk, they are still looking for Maximum yield so therefore will probably have little or no tank, so will still be easy kills.

But I personally do not want to see high sec ganking removed completely from hi-sec, because lets face it, some people just really need to die. It has always been a good way to get in kills on people who war dec you or that you have war deced.

You can fit 2 MLUs and enough tank to be an unprofitable gank in the higher sec bands.

You can fit a Hulk with enough tank to be an unprofitable gank in all sec bands.

It is entirely the Miners choice whether he's going to be a profitable gank. Just like any other ship. Where's the problem?

When I say profitable I should balance that by saying exactly that a couple of million for a ganker nothing major but still a profit. This due to the cost of T2 strip miners, crystals and MLU's vs the fact there will still be lots that will ahve little tank other than the ships built in ehp.

Personally I like the fact that miner have to choose between tank, storage and yield. It gives the skiff a real role now and while I think the mack is a bit much on what it got, the hulk is about right.

Yes but at least with the mackinaw they are at least having to sacrifice some yield compared to the hulk and the base hulk only has 8713 ehp.

Does loot from ore holds not drop? Sorry I have never heard that before.

The Mack has a functionally identical yield to the Cargo Hulk (especially when you take warping out for dropoffs into account). With enough Tank to be unprofitable to gank.

So now ganking is bad because people don't have the mindset to play the game?

EVE is a predefined environment. Both parties have every opportunity to be aware of the rules (you don't get to cry "No Fair" when you lose because you didn't know how Checkmate worked when the guidebook is on the table next to you).
No two Chess players have the same mindset either; some are more aggressive, some less, etc. more importantly, Mindset is not a game mechanic.

You can play EVE for whatever reason you want. But as the Rules clearly allow it (and you have every opportunity to learn the rules), you have to account for the possibility of combat and prepare for that possibility (not necessarily by preparing to fight).

If you would like to play a Consensual PvP Only version of EVE (because the ships are pretty, or whatever), CCP has generously devoted a server to your use: SISI.

If you wish to participate in the market where your actions affect everyone else, it's only fair that other people's actions can affect you.