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rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2761 - 2012-08-07 09:56:17 UTC
Yeah but the devs, didn't die in burn jita, and they didn't kill anyone in it. They are just people not apart of it talking about it. Why would I listen to them?

You keep quoting the Devs, but I havn't seen them doing any hardcore, the way you make it seem.

Like when is the last time a dev talked about scamming someone? or suicideing someone? All they did, was pack faction ships full of gear, and float through null, till they were popped. Sure it was fun, but not scary. I don't think anything scared me about that. (Besides how they allowed T2BPOs to drop from their ships.)

If anything pipa, I would say your Gods are dead. Time to find a new religion.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2762 - 2012-08-07 09:57:18 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Change isn't the problem. The problem is that all the change is going towards making PvP Opt-In, which is contrary to the fundamental idea of the game.


Only in highsec, that is... as it should be. CCP couldn't predict that the players would go and "change the rules" they put up...


You're misguided if you think hisec was ever intended to be "opt-in" only for PvP.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2763 - 2012-08-07 09:59:07 UTC
rodyas wrote:
Well I don't really have alot of ISK to see it the way you do. I mostly see it as this. Null sec is hard, and with players dealing with how hard it is, they get new ships and modules. Now does hi-sec deserve to get these new things, to easily, after other people only got them after hard work. Like tech, that stuff is hard to get, so you wouldn't want hi sec, to get it so easily. I don't see it as, hi sec would make more money then we would if they had it. Like it tech, started to be easier to get and to have, then I might not mind that it was open to hi sec. But like I said, it would have to be really easy for null sec to have it, before I would want it in hi sec.


Moon mining shouldn't be introduced to hisec simply because towers are virtually immune there.

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Pipa Porto
#2764 - 2012-08-07 10:01:24 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
No, nowhere in EVE has ever had Opt-In PVP (well, besides SISI). Being entirely safe from PvP anywhere is anathema to EVE's core principles. "Don't Fly What you can't afford to lose."


Agreed... but all I can say is: HS always was more or less save... for years. That changed only after Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.

What was CCP supposed to say? "We never intended that to happen and we will do everything to never let that happen again in the future?" That would have been a PR shotgunblast to the head... so to speak.^^


Here's what CCP said about HAG and Burn Jita:
Jon Lander wrote:
If you pay attention, and you’ve got your wits about you, you can avoid people coming in and ganking, a survival of the fittest kind of thing, and people are now able to actually make a much better living from mining because of things like Hulkageddon and Burn Jita, because minerals are more expensive.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2012/06/12/eve-online-interview-betrayal-at-fanfest-burn-jita-virtual-reality-and-the-president-of-iceland/
Jon Lander is the Senior Producer of EvE (He's Soundwave's Boss).

CCP's been pretty pleased with the effects of HAG/Burn Jita.

The only reason HS was safe was because ganking wasn't a fad until recently. Now it's a fad and people noticed that it's an entertaining way to pass the time between roams/fleets.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2765 - 2012-08-07 10:04:01 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Agreed... but all I can say is: HS always was more or less save... for years. That changed only after Burn Jita and Hulkageddon.
Neither of those events changed that in the slightest.

HS was always entirely open to PvP, in spite of what people like to assume.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2766 - 2012-08-07 10:05:13 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
The only reason HS was safe was because ganking wasn't a fad until recently. Now it's a fad and people noticed that it's an entertaining way to pass the time between roams/fleets.


Yea... it's an entartaining way to drive non-invantile players, that actually wanna persue other goals in the game then mindless ganking, away... I'm sure CCP was all for that. Roll

Don't believe everything your read...

CCP's rebalancing and tinkering with HS mechanics should be a pretty good indication that not everything that happened was working as intended.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2767 - 2012-08-07 10:05:46 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
rodyas wrote:
Well I don't really have alot of ISK to see it the way you do. I mostly see it as this. Null sec is hard, and with players dealing with how hard it is, they get new ships and modules. Now does hi-sec deserve to get these new things, to easily, after other people only got them after hard work. Like tech, that stuff is hard to get, so you wouldn't want hi sec, to get it so easily. I don't see it as, hi sec would make more money then we would if they had it. Like it tech, started to be easier to get and to have, then I might not mind that it was open to hi sec. But like I said, it would have to be really easy for null sec to have it, before I would want it in hi sec.


Moon mining shouldn't be introduced to hisec simply because towers are virtually immune there.


Yeah that fits in with the too easy. It would be too easy to have tech then. No reason to move it there anyhow, if you want tech, there are ways to get it, plus alchemy really. Anymore ideas on it and I would be going over my head.

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Pipa Porto
#2768 - 2012-08-07 10:09:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Shalua Rui wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
The only reason HS was safe was because ganking wasn't a fad until recently. Now it's a fad and people noticed that it's an entertaining way to pass the time between roams/fleets.


Yea... it's an entartaining way to drive non-invantile players, that actually wanna persue other goals in the game then mindless ganking, away... I'm sure CCP was all for that. Roll

Don't believe everything your read...

CCP's rebalancing and tinkering with HS mechanics should be a pretty good indication that not everything that happened was working as intended.


Ah, so now you're gonna start with the name calling. Good to know that anyone involved with a suicide gank, or able to deal with the fact that flying in HS comes with some risk (risk that can easily be mitigated) is "invantile."

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2769 - 2012-08-07 10:15:23 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ah, so now you're gonna start with the name calling. Good to know that anyone involved with a suicide gank, or able to deal with the fact that flying in HS comes with some risk (risk that can easily be mitigated) is "invantile."


It's not name calling, it's an observation: Trashing a playmates toy out of anger or just to make the other one misrable is what children do... they know they get scolded for it... and they'll most likely get a toy of their own taken away from then as punishment... but they do it anyways...

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#2770 - 2012-08-07 10:16:50 UTC
Pipa isn't being infantile, she is just doing what the devs tell her to do.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2771 - 2012-08-07 10:22:03 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
It's not name calling, it's an observation: Trashing a playmates toy out of anger or just to make the other one misrable is what children do... they know they get scolded for it... and they'll most likely get a toy of their own taken away from then as punishment... but they do it anyways...


"let me tell you the mindset of people who play this PvP-centric game differently than I do"

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2772 - 2012-08-07 10:32:28 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ah, so now you're gonna start with the name calling. Good to know that anyone involved with a suicide gank, or able to deal with the fact that flying in HS comes with some risk (risk that can easily be mitigated) is "invantile."


It's not name calling, it's an observation: Trashing a playmates toy out of anger or just to make the other one misrable is what children do... they know they get scolded for it... and they'll most likely get a toy of their own taken away from then as punishment... but they do it anyways...


I do it for money. The tears are a welcome bonus.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2773 - 2012-08-07 10:33:11 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
"let me tell you the mindset of people who play this PvP-centric game differently than I do"


Ow, Palpatine is back again... Blink

Ah well, "it's a PvP-centric game* is a nice excuse for everything I guess...

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2774 - 2012-08-07 10:40:27 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Ah well, "it's a PvP-centric game* is a nice excuse for everything I guess...
It's not so much an excuse as a simple fact.
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2775 - 2012-08-07 10:44:32 UTC
Tippia wrote:
It's not so much an excuse as a simple fact.


Life is PvP-centric... doesn't mean that might always makes right.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2776 - 2012-08-07 10:47:13 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Life is PvP-centric.
Relevance?
Shalua Rui
Rui Freelance Mining
#2777 - 2012-08-07 11:01:13 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Relevance?


I don't wanna get all sociological now, so let's say... everything one does on the internet reflects back on the persons personality.

"ginger forum goddess, space gypsy and stone nibbler extraordinaire!" Shalua Rui - CEO and founder of Rui Freelance Mining (RFLM)
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#2778 - 2012-08-07 11:03:45 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
I don't wanna get all sociological now, so let's say... everything one does on the internet reflects back on the persons personality.
Lol No.

More to the point though, that doesn't answer the question. So: relevance?
Pipa Porto
#2779 - 2012-08-07 11:16:55 UTC
Shalua Rui wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ah, so now you're gonna start with the name calling. Good to know that anyone involved with a suicide gank, or able to deal with the fact that flying in HS comes with some risk (risk that can easily be mitigated) is "invantile."


It's not name calling, it's an observation: Trashing a playmates toy out of anger or just to make the other one misrable is what children do... they know they get scolded for it... and they'll most likely get a toy of their own taken away from then as punishment... but they do it anyways...


When I play Poker, I take my friends money when I win.
When I play Diplomacy, I break pacts with my friends to win.
When I play Monopoly, I take money from my friends when they land on my property.
When I play Risk, I take my friends territory.
When I play Chess, I checkmate my friend's king.

Suicide Ganking isn't trashing someone's toy any more than the above are. If people were DDOSing miners, or harassing them (CCP's definition), then yeah, it would be equivalent to breaking someone's toy, because EVE is the toy, not the ships inside of it.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Pipa Porto
#2780 - 2012-08-07 11:17:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Shalua Rui wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Relevance?


I don't wanna get all sociological now, so let's say... everything one does on the internet reflects back on the persons personality.


Nope. That's like saying everyone who plays Chess is Regicidal.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto