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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2261 - 2012-07-30 19:18:14 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I am not going to sit in a belt for 8 hours awaiting for the next Buddha to come.
What for anyway? To kill a 2M ship that was mean to explode anyway and (since I don't use cheesy alts to circumvent consequences) get kill rights on me?


hi

you shoot it when it gets a GCC and it won't get kill rights


Am I going to pop him before he pops the other guy? Because that would be the reason to do that defense.


a catalyst has 4k ehp

figure out the rest yourself v0v


Are you implying I should use an arty boat? Because their tracking woes against something that comes in and shoots.
All anti-gank fittings that I have seen posted had ACs and those don't instashot 4k.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2262 - 2012-07-30 19:19:37 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Are you implying I should use an arty boat? Because their tracking woes against something that comes in and shoots.
All anti-gank fittings that I have seen posted had ACs and those don't instashot 4k.


Tracking Enhancer II

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2263 - 2012-07-30 19:20:00 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
If you can't alpha a destroyer, you're doing something wrong.


if only we had two cheapass battlecruiser hulls that can be fit to instalock and pop catalysts with high-alpha turrets

if only


I tried a 'cane and guess what, the other guy still managed to kill the mack.
Oh sure, I should involve a blueball like you do with remote SEBO, maybe why not an interceptor and whatever.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2264 - 2012-07-30 19:20:35 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Are you implying I should use an arty boat? Because their tracking woes against something that comes in and shoots.
All anti-gank fittings that I have seen posted had ACs and those don't instashot 4k.


Tracking Enhancer II


I always fit 2...

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Sarik Olecar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2265 - 2012-07-30 19:21:17 UTC
Gratz on +100 pages guyz! This thread has provided me with many laughs while I AFK ice mine in an untanked mack...

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2266 - 2012-07-30 19:21:19 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I tried a 'cane and guess what, the other guy still managed to kill the mack.
Oh sure, I should involve a blueball like you do with remote SEBO, maybe why not an interceptor and whatever.


"I can't work out a fitting for a t1 battlecruiser"

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Pipa Porto
#2267 - 2012-07-30 19:21:25 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Being Cloaked AFK is to being AFK in a station in a Barge (No Income, No Risk)


There's a risk when you are in safe spot and cloaked. People can still find you.


Even if that were true (it's not), you are still trying to compare Cloaking AFK in a Safespot to Mining AFK in a Belt.

It's simply not a valid comparison.

An Exploration Curse AFK in an Exploration pocket is as easy to gank as a Hulk sitting AFK in a belt/grav site.

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EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#2268 - 2012-07-30 19:21:35 UTC
you can easily kill a catalyst before it kills the target
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2269 - 2012-07-30 19:21:36 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I always fit 2...


try a third

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JamesCLK
#2270 - 2012-07-30 19:21:40 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Are you implying I should use an arty boat? Because their tracking woes against something that comes in and shoots.
All anti-gank fittings that I have seen posted had ACs and those don't instashot 4k.


Tracking Enhancer II


Tracking Computer II, Tracking Script
<3

-- -.-- / -.-. .-.. --- -. . / .. ... / - --- --- / . -..- .--. . -. ... .. ...- . / - --- / ..- -. -.. --- -.-. -.- / ... - --- .--. / .--. .-.. . .- ... . / ... . -. -.. / .... . .-.. .--. / ... - --- .--.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2271 - 2012-07-30 19:23:15 UTC
JamesCLK wrote:
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Script
<3


an instacane does not use tracking computers

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Pipa Porto
#2272 - 2012-07-30 19:24:20 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
maybe the miners should fit these things called "shield extenders" and "hardeners" instead of having a tank given to them on a silver platter

sorry if you can't make such tough choices like "15% more yield or 300% better tank"


What kind of tank you would suggest?

This fit has 22k EHP with current stats on SiSi.

[Hulk, Tank Fit]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I



The "Buy a Skiff" tank.

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Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#2273 - 2012-07-30 19:24:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Vaerah Vahrokha
Richard Desturned wrote:
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
I tried a 'cane and guess what, the other guy still managed to kill the mack.
Oh sure, I should involve a blueball like you do with remote SEBO, maybe why not an interceptor and whatever.


"I can't work out a fitting for a t1 battlecruiser"


Oh show me the fitting able to lock and kill a ganker after he went GCC (half are not -5 status) and before he pops a random mack. Also, they don't tend to use just 1 ship for the task.

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2274 - 2012-07-30 19:25:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Oh show me the fitting able to lock and kill a ganker after he went GCC (half are not -5 status) and before he pops a random mack.


hint: "medium targeting system subcontroller I"
2nd hint: "sensor booster II"

unless you're being horrible and fitting a cloak that will instalock anything

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#2275 - 2012-07-30 19:26:46 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
no you do not, you'd have to be reported by the guy you podded

and well i don't think your alt is suddenly going to develop an independent consciousness and report you for podding outside of the designated systems


It will show on logs.

Please leave the thread, the grownups are talking.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pipa Porto
#2276 - 2012-07-30 19:30:48 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:

The Special Snowflake brick tank is required only to counter a special snowflake team of many T1 Dessies in .5 space. Anywhere else, you can fit a smaller tank and still be unprofitable.


Many T1 dessies is not a special snowflake at all.

2-3 of them is what every non rookie ganker use in 0.7 and below. Usually they don't use more as they seem to get bored and scale up to bigger hulls past 5 catalysts.


You have to drop down to low meta (inc the Magstabs) to keep it cheap enough to field enough to profit off of a brick tanked Hulk in .5

Also, you need more than the normal amount, which means you need to gather a bunch more people. Or, instead of going after the hardest target available (who you'll probably break even on), you can go for the idiot next to him who hasn't fit a tank.

But the real reason it's a special snowflake situation is that there is no reason why you need to be mining in .5 space. Scord is found in 1.0 space too.

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2277 - 2012-07-30 19:31:01 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
maybe the miners should fit these things called "shield extenders" and "hardeners" instead of having a tank given to them on a silver platter

sorry if you can't make such tough choices like "15% more yield or 300% better tank"


What kind of tank you would suggest?

This fit has 22k EHP with current stats on SiSi.

[Hulk, Tank Fit]

Damage Control II
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II

Medium F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I



The "Buy a Skiff" tank.

So if the don't buff the hulks tank we should have no issues with the changes?
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#2278 - 2012-07-30 19:41:40 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAB6UxUo-rc


Nice, Drakes killing supers.



425mm canes are far more effective at it than drakes, just say'in Lol

brb
Pipa Porto
#2279 - 2012-07-30 19:43:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Pipa Porto
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
please stop saying things that are entirely untrue, feel free to test this on sisi


I don't have any negative friends.

Richard Desturned wrote:
outlaw pods have been legal targets since ever


Stop lying.


Then try it on TQ. It is perfectly legal to shoot outlaws in pods in HS.
You don't go GCC, you don't get CONCORDed, and you don't lose Sec Status.

By the way:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1208388#post1208388


CCP Masterplan wrote:
So here's the rules:
* You can freely kill a pod if the pilot is an outlaw (below -5 sec status)
* You can't kill a pod if the pilot just has a GCC. If you try, you'll get the non-suppressible "Are you sure? CONCORD will wtfpwn you if you do this" dialog
This has always been the case

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#2280 - 2012-07-30 19:43:35 UTC
Vaal Erit wrote:
Wow I cannot believe people like Jorma not only know nothing about game mechanics but refuse to listen to people who know what they are doing or test it himself.

As someone who has been popping pods and getting podded for 6 years, you have always been able to pod someone who is an outlaw in high sec space. GCC pods are not valid, only outlaws which are people below -5.0. Won't take more than 10 mins to test this on Sisi. I don't need to test it because I podded some poor afk outlaw pod in high sec 3 days ago.

GCC pods should be valid targets to everyone but I assume that's because it would require effort on CCPs part. Giving exhumers +10k base ehp (or whatever it is) is really, really, REALLY tough work. Phew, I'm getting tired just thinking about it, better take a well deserved vacation after this CCP, that's some complicated in-depth finely tuned balancing there. Congrats.



Nice vacations (for everyone) bye Blink

brb