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Pipa Porto
#2001 - 2012-07-30 10:21:47 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:

Fit a Midslot/Rigslot Tank and MLUs and mine in 1.0space and you'll be fine.

The Special Snowflake brick tank is required only to counter a special snowflake team of many T1 Dessies in .5 space. Anywhere else, you can fit a smaller tank and still be unprofitable.


once you fit a t2 invuln and passive em hardener you're out of cpu with 2 spare mids.


If only there were some way to increase your CPU without using a Low slot...

What, you say there is?

Enough tank to require 2 Nados in 1.0


[Hulk, Hisec Mininh]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Major Bibi
#2002 - 2012-07-30 10:21:52 UTC
woow i never seen a thread grow so fast

I am still convinced that some of you gankers are just crying about the fact that ganking became suddenly so much harder for you

Well i have good news for you guys , there still will be plenty of people around who have no idea about the exhumer buff
so you still will have plenty of targets for you

Apparantly only a relative large group of players never bother reading the forums or any devblog

so stop crying about it
Dave stark
#2003 - 2012-07-30 10:22:59 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Ever heard of "safety in numbers"?


Ever heard of "more dps in groups"?


Thats why you fit a tank.


and when do other ships have to sacrifice ALL of their med and low slots to fit a tank? why do people have a hard time grasping this?



Intercepters, any hauler with expensive cargo, front line fleet armour ships, heavy tackle ectect. The intercepters dont even get to tank themselves if they wantto be usefull.


the difference is the intercepters have the option to tank with speed; other ships don't have that option.
haulers with expensive cargo are called orcas; you can fly a naked orca and nobody will gank you.
not quite sure what you mean with front line fleet armour ships so i'll just leave that one.

literally all the ships you listed have a alternate way to tank.
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2004 - 2012-07-30 10:26:54 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
front line fleet armour ships


Only armor tanking ships used in fleets are Hellcats aka arty Abaddons. I wouldn't call those "front line fleet armour ships".
Dave stark
#2005 - 2012-07-30 10:27:28 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:

Fit a Midslot/Rigslot Tank and MLUs and mine in 1.0space and you'll be fine.

The Special Snowflake brick tank is required only to counter a special snowflake team of many T1 Dessies in .5 space. Anywhere else, you can fit a smaller tank and still be unprofitable.


once you fit a t2 invuln and passive em hardener you're out of cpu with 2 spare mids.


If only there were some way to increase your CPU without using a Low slot...

What, you say there is?

Enough tank to require 2 Nados in 1.0


[Hulk, Hisec Mininh]

Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Small F-S9 Regolith Shield Induction
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Limited Adaptive Invulnerability Field I
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II

Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II
Modulated Strip Miner II, Veldspar Mining Crystal II

Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I
Medium Processor Overclocking Unit I


good point; forgot about those rigs.
and now we have to give up a rig slot to mine ice the ehp buffs are totally justified.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2006 - 2012-07-30 10:33:00 UTC
Dave stark wrote:

the difference is the intercepters have the option to tank with speed; other ships don't have that option.
haulers with expensive cargo are called orcas; you can fly a naked orca and nobody will gank you.
not quite sure what you mean with front line fleet armour ships so i'll just leave that one.

literally all the ships you listed have a alternate way to tank.


Speed tanking tends to stop working when you end up in web/neut/scram/rocket/light missile/light drone range.

Also armour industrials will warp much faster than an orca.
Pipa Porto
#2007 - 2012-07-30 10:35:21 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


good point; forgot about those rigs.
and now we have to give up a rig slot to mine ice the ehp buffs are totally justified.


Nope. Because now you have the Skiff. If you're worried about suicide ganking, you use the Skiff. The Mack and Hulk are for other situations where you're not worried about it.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2008 - 2012-07-30 10:36:34 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


good point; forgot about those rigs.
and now we have to give up a rig slot to mine ice the ehp buffs are totally justified.


Nope. Because now you have the Skiff. If you're worried about suicide ganking, you use the Skiff. The Mack and Hulk are for other situations where you're not worried about it.


So now Mack is fleet ship too?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2009 - 2012-07-30 10:37:52 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:

So now Mack is fleet ship too?


Nope, just not as good as the skiff.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2010 - 2012-07-30 10:38:24 UTC
how is this thread over 100 pages?

jeez guys

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Pipa Porto
#2011 - 2012-07-30 10:38:25 UTC
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


good point; forgot about those rigs.
and now we have to give up a rig slot to mine ice the ehp buffs are totally justified.


Nope. Because now you have the Skiff. If you're worried about suicide ganking, you use the Skiff. The Mack and Hulk are for other situations where you're not worried about it.


So now Mack is fleet ship too?


Nope it's a Solo ship. It's not just an AFK ship.

EvE: Everyone vs Everyone

-RubyPorto
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2012 - 2012-07-30 10:41:17 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Jorma Morkkis wrote:
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


good point; forgot about those rigs.
and now we have to give up a rig slot to mine ice the ehp buffs are totally justified.


Nope. Because now you have the Skiff. If you're worried about suicide ganking, you use the Skiff. The Mack and Hulk are for other situations where you're not worried about it.


So now Mack is fleet ship too?


Nope it's a Solo ship. It's not just an AFK ship.


Now it's solo ship meant for AFK'ing in fleet?
Dave stark
#2013 - 2012-07-30 10:42:03 UTC
Pipa Porto wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


good point; forgot about those rigs.
and now we have to give up a rig slot to mine ice the ehp buffs are totally justified.


Nope. Because now you have the Skiff. If you're worried about suicide ganking, you use the Skiff. The Mack and Hulk are for other situations where you're not worried about it.


just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.
Skippermonkey
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2014 - 2012-07-30 10:43:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Skippermonkey
Dave stark wrote:
just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.


Go look up the tier 3 battlecruisers

just TRY and fit a tank to those

You can try, but its a fairly pointless exercise

edit - waitwaitwait.... im not being drawn into this thread again

you almost had me

COME AT ME BRO

I'LL JUST BE DOCKED IN THIS STATION
Jorma Morkkis
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2015 - 2012-07-30 10:45:00 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.


Go look up the tier 3 battlecruisers

just TRY and fit a tank to those

You can try, but its a fairly pointless exercise

edit - waitwaitwait.... im not beign drawn into this therad again

you almost had me


Try Talos with ASB...
Dave stark
#2016 - 2012-07-30 10:45:50 UTC
Skippermonkey wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.


Go look up the tier 3 battlecruisers

just TRY and fit a tank to those

You can try, but its a fairly pointless exercise

edit - waitwaitwait.... im not being drawn into this thread again

you almost had me


and when i can fit a new type of strip miner to my hulk with a 1000m3 yield, i'll gladly give up my tank on my hulk.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2017 - 2012-07-30 10:46:06 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.


Problem with tis argument is that it can fit a tank.
Tobiaz
Spacerats
#2018 - 2012-07-30 10:46:48 UTC
CCP Soundwave wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Gone are the days where EVE is a dangerous place.

I seem to have missed the part when they made all player ships immune to damage.


That won't happen as long as I'm around, btw.

Suicide ganking wasn't designed to be profitable, it's meant to be an option that let's you punish someone else at your expense. The money you paid for a ship to gank with compared to the money lost by your target was completely off and this change should bring that to a better spot. That said, the numbers can still be adjusted.


It damn well SHOULD be profitable!!!

High risk of getting ganked is pretty much the ONLY balancing factor for flying no-tank-all-yield mining barges. Instead of having to choose between low-risk and profitability, you're now simply handing the miners both. *facepalm*

And what's up with all the miners cheering for this? With all the stupid/greedy/lazy miners being weeded out by gankers, the smarter 'third pig' miners are making a LOT more money. Perhaps you should stop being so stubborn on trying to be piggie #1 and #2, complaining about wolves.

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Dave stark
#2019 - 2012-07-30 10:47:03 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:


just because it's not a tank ship shouldn't mean it can't fit a tank.


Problem with tis argument is that it can fit a tank.


except it can't without both rigs, which is exactly the point. when mining ice you can't fit the tank.
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#2020 - 2012-07-30 10:47:39 UTC
Major Bibi wrote:
I am still convinced that some of you gankers are just crying about the fact that ganking became suddenly so much harder for you

Not harder, just requires more people; the difficulty level remains the same. CCP wants to nerf ganking through exclusion, because the only other way to do it would be through a high-sec aggression nerf, which they want to gradually build up to, instead of dumping it on us in one go. Expect this to come sometime in 2014.

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