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"Extra" wormholes in Class Two space
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Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1 - 2012-07-25 21:19:36 UTC
The A'J work in Projects Atlas and Compass has ferreted out capsuleer anecdotes of "extra" W-space > W-space connections outbound from Class Two wormhole space. Having seen such behavior personally both in my corporation's home C2 and in other Class Two systems, I can confirm that these wormholes do exist.


Now, for the real questions:


  • Some say that these wormholes are constellation scoped; could this be correct, or do they behave similarly to the wandering W-space > W-space connections found in C1 and C3 space (in particular, what are the current theories about the scopes of C1/C3 wandering wormholes, as well?)
  • So far, I have only seen these "extra" connections as Y683 and D382s, and perhaps a Z641. Does someone have a report of "extra" O477s, N062s, or R474s appearing? If so, what are the statics present in the C2s where they are found? (P.S. if any active pilots from Guillotine Therapy are about, perhaps you could add your experiences with this matter?)
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#2 - 2012-07-25 22:36:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
Atlas actually has more than anecdotes. Here's an excerpt from my scanning logs showing two Z647 statics in a system.

8:02 5/29/114
J151348, class 2, region 8, constellation 60
EGZ-324 4.46% wormhole B274 *HS* 1/10 <--- static
CAG-658 4.26% wormhole Z647 *C1* 1/10 <--- static
PZB-411 4.44% wormhole Z647 *C1* 1/10 <--- static
XGF-837 4.27% wormhole K162 *C2* 1/10
MZB-070 4.31% Ordinary Perimeter Deposit (grav) 1/10
LZB-623 4.50% Common Perimeter Deposit (grav) 1/10

The research behind this phenomena is ongoing though, and I've still not got enough data to form any conclusions, which is why I haven't yet published any findings. The current experiment involves filling an entire constellation with scanners and observing the formation of signatures, particularly if when one wormhole closes, it reopens elsewhere in the constellation. With the AJ abstract publication apparatus in disarray, there is no set structure for making others aware of the ongoing project. In any case, the request for others to contribute information is certainly welcome. Thank you.

As for your questions, another theory that I've heard is that these extra statics are simply chance based, and that, when one static collapses, it has a small chance to create some type of extra static, whether it be of the same type as the local statics or not.

As for the scopes of C1 and C3 wandering wormholes, they seem definitely to be limited to their respective classes. This chart highlights how different configurations of wormhole (i.e. N770 or S804) appear exclusively in different classes.

In the end, I'd like to make a complete listing of all "extra" statics and where they appear, but I expect that to be a monolithic undertaking which would require the participation all of Anoikis's capsuleer population to complete.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-07-25 22:43:48 UTC
Faulx wrote:
Atlas actually has more than anecdotes. Here's an excerpt from my scanning logs showing two Z647 statics in a system.

8:02 5/29/114
J151348, class 2, region 8, constellation 60
EGZ-324 4.46% wormhole B274 *HS* 1/10 <--- static
CAG-658 4.26% wormhole Z647 *C1* 1/10 <--- static
PZB-411 4.44% wormhole Z647 *C1* 1/10 <--- static
XGF-837 4.27% wormhole K162 *C2* 1/10
MZB-070 4.31% Ordinary Perimeter Deposit (grav) 1/10
LZB-623 4.50% Common Perimeter Deposit (grav) 1/10

The research behind this phenomena is ongoing though, and I've still not got enough data to form any conclusions, which is why I haven't yet published any findings. The current experiment involves filling an entire constellation with scanners and observing the formation of signatures, particularly if when one wormhole closes, it reopens elsewhere in the constellation. With the AJ abstract publication apparatus in disarray, there is no set structure for making others aware of the ongoing project. In any case, the request for others to contribute information is certainly welcome. Thank you.

As for your questions, another theory that I've heard is that these extra statics are simply chance based, and that, when one static collapses, it has a small chance to create some type of extra static, whether it be of the same type as the local statics or not.

As for the scopes of C1 and C3 wandering wormholes, they seem definitely to be limited to their respective classes. This chart highlights how different configurations of wormhole (i.e. N770 or S804) appear exclusively in different classes.

In the end, I'd like to make a complete listing of all "extra" statics and where they appear, but I expect that to be a monolithic undertaking which would require the participation all of Anoikis's capsuleer population to complete.

Excellent find.

Also: what data needs to be included in a scanning log for it to be useful for research purposes? Perhaps it would be possible to generate a limited scanning log automatically from the data entered into our graphical mapping tools.
Faulx
Brother Fox Corp
#4 - 2012-07-25 22:57:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Faulx
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Also: what data needs to be included in a scanning log for it to be useful for research purposes? Perhaps it would be possible to generate a limited scanning log automatically from the data entered into our graphical mapping tools.

A complete list of all wormholes in a given system at a time when an extra static is present, the name of the system, and a date a time for that list would probably be the minimum qualification for "useful" information. Extra "nice to have" stuff would be things like, exit points, signature IDs, and when each of the static wormholes expires (there's some talk that the extra static appears at the same time as one of the local statics, so confirmation would be good). There's some other things which are good to know, like signature strength (just in case its different for "extra" statics), but those things arn't likely to logged by the tool.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-07-26 00:33:51 UTC
Faulx wrote:
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
Also: what data needs to be included in a scanning log for it to be useful for research purposes? Perhaps it would be possible to generate a limited scanning log automatically from the data entered into our graphical mapping tools.

A complete list of all wormholes in a given system at a time when an extra static is present, the name of the system, and a date a time for that list would probably be the minimum qualification for "useful" information. Extra "nice to have" stuff would be things like, exit points, signature IDs, and when each of the static wormholes expires (there's some talk that the extra static appears at the same time as one of the local statics, so confirmation would be good). There's some other things which are good to know, like signature strength (just in case its different for "extra" statics), but those things arn't likely to logged by the tool.

Thanks, I will pass that information on to our tool developers. Also: on base signature strength for "extra" wormholes in C2 space, in my personal experience, it is determined by the type of the extra hole (which may or may not be the same as the actual W-space static) as most'd expect.
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#6 - 2012-07-27 06:33:24 UTC
Gentlemen.


Try the Allamotte system on a good day.

I say no more.



Bring back DEEEEP Space!
space gator
Adhocracy Incorporated
Adhocracy
#7 - 2012-07-29 02:06:58 UTC
Appreciate the tip Herzog, any chance you could throw a little bit more of a bone regarding Allamotte, either here or via pm?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#8 - 2012-08-12 08:31:56 UTC
Allamotte has had up to 6 wormholes at a time. That's at its best. But very often otherwise, more than one. It's always full of holes. I never saw another known space system like it.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Diana Kim
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-08-12 08:45:14 UTC
Colander

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