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the new mining barges stats let the gankers cry
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#41 - 2012-07-25 22:17:59 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
An ice mining Mack has an issue : the ice rig displaces a rig slot that could/should be used for a tank rig. I use the Mack as an example because it is supposed to have a decent tank. This design limitation makes using it for ice contrary to it's intended role.
Its intended role is to be a decent solo boat with a great stonking ore bay. Fitting an ice rig doesn't affect this role.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-07-25 22:23:29 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
so btw Goon your whole pay out on barges when it take 3 tornados to get a hulk will be useless no one will do it.


depends on the ship and the pilot.. probably not three tornados... especially if you still see a lot of untanked hulks.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#43 - 2012-07-25 22:25:55 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
nat longshot wrote:
so btw Goon your whole pay out on barges when it take 3 tornados to get a hulk will be useless no one will do it.


depends on the ship and the pilot.. probably not three tornados... especially if you still see a lot of untanked hulks.



As it stands and if the stats are the good ones there's no reason to use a Hulk if you're not in some mining fleet. For solo work better pick something else.

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nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2012-07-25 22:26:34 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
nat longshot wrote:
so btw Goon your whole pay out on barges when it take 3 tornados to get a hulk will be useless no one will do it.


depends on the ship and the pilot.. probably not three tornados... especially if you still see a lot of untanked hulks.



As it stands and if the stats are the good ones there's no reason to use a Hulk if you're not in some mining fleet. For solo work better pick something else.


ya mack or skif for the EHP

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Denidil
Cascades Mountain Operatives
#45 - 2012-07-25 22:27:02 UTC
Urgg Boolean wrote:
An ice mining Mack has an issue : the ice rig displaces a rig slot that could/should be used for a tank rig. I use the Mack as an example because it is supposed to have a decent tank. This design limitation makes using it for ice contrary to it's intended role. This is one item I hope the devs look at. Maybe my understanding of the ice rig is wrong, but I just don't see giving up a tank rig on a baot intended to have some tankage...


45k ehp not enough for you?

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Evei Shard
Shard Industries
#46 - 2012-07-25 22:35:40 UTC
Droxlyn wrote:
Evei Shard wrote:

One thing the changes *will* do is make ships like the Procurer and *maybe* the Retriever viable to use in low-sec. With the mining yield increase and the ore hold size, a Procurer could scoot around low belts mining Jaspet, and not have to worry as much about cruiser/bs size rats popping them before they can warp out.


Hedbergite is the best lowsec ore. It is 8th in value of all normal ores, after 5 high-sec ores.
Sort this by ISK: http://ore.cerlestes.de/index.html#site:ore


This is true, however a lot of high-sec bordering systems that I've been too are generally in the 0.4 - 0.3 sec status, which only have Jaspet.
I'm guessing that most high-sec miners aren't going to venture more than 1 jump into low. Those that go further will reap the rewards, but taking 2 or 3 jumps (or more) into low to get to Hemorphite & Hedbergite becomes a bit of a logistics problem, once again devaluing the "reward" for the "risk" of getting to the site.
With current market prices, it's more profitable to mine in highsec in order to buy the zydrine you would get by mining jaspet or other lowsec ores. That issue, in itself, may be the downfall of my previous statement.
I'd like to see the reward of lowsec mining increased quite a bit, and the reward of high-sec mining decreased. Perhaps by moving Nocxium from Pyroxeres to Jaspet only (bump up the yield in Jaspet).
Again, just speculation and opinion. Nothing I can do will change CCP's course.

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Shameless Avenger
Can Preachers of Kador
#47 - 2012-07-25 22:36:48 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Shameless Avenger wrote:
So... will the new barges be viable level 4 mission boats?


You need all drone skills including fighter bombers up to 5, then, YES WE CAN !


That's gonna be hilarious... the ratting barges... can't wait to see the videos.

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Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#48 - 2012-07-25 22:40:29 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
ok i like the new stats hell i restarting my mining skills now.

so btw Goon your whole pay out on barges when it take 3 tornados to get a hulk will be useless no one will do it.

so let mining gankers cry there sry eyes out and let me laugh at them. oh wait they will have to find real targets now.


This is going under the assumption that miners will choose to fit a good tank over maximum yield.
Hulks are real targets & will still die regardless of this change.

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MinefieldS
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#49 - 2012-07-25 22:54:45 UTC
Can't gank them? Then bump them and demand payment like the Superior Protector of Halaima does.
Vincent Athena
Photosynth
#50 - 2012-07-25 23:04:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vincent Athena
Urgg Boolean wrote:
An ice mining Mack has an issue : the ice rig displaces a rig slot that could/should be used for a tank rig. I use the Mack as an example because it is supposed to have a decent tank. This design limitation makes using it for ice contrary to it's intended role. This is one item I hope the devs look at. Maybe my understanding of the ice rig is wrong, but I just don't see giving up a tank rig on a baot intended to have some tankage...

The Mack's role is not longer ice mining. Its solo mining in relatively safe areas. The ice rig can be added to the Skiff, and it will still have a tank in the 80K EHP range. Also the Skiff now goes 250 m/sec. Fit an AB or MWD and you can recover from being bumped before the cycle ends.

Hulk: Fleet ops in relatively safe areas.
Mack: Solo mining in relatively safe areas.
Skiff: Mining solo or in a fleet where you want a strong tank.
Ice mining: Fit the ice rig to whatever ship fits your mining operation.

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#51 - 2012-07-25 23:12:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Robus Muvila
Tor Gungnir wrote:


The crying miner is a bigger myth than Bigfoot, and you know it.


I agree entirely.

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Robus Muvila
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-07-25 23:15:35 UTC
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nat longshot
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2012-07-26 01:23:37 UTC
MinefieldS wrote:
Can't gank them? Then bump them and demand payment like the Superior Protector of Halaima does.



ya ya ive seen you sry butts around Gulf i laugh at your scam every day

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#54 - 2012-07-26 02:00:09 UTC
Aruken Marr wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Nah. Silly miners will still go for max-yield hulks and will still not tank them. They will then still come to the forums and complain about how they miraculously manage to get killed by Destroyers and demand that something be done about this huge injustice.

Lol

I never ever see "miners" complain here.

All I see are people like you, complaining "about" miners.

Funny how that works.

You must have some very very very selective reading...

Selective is just a euphemism for discriminatory.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#55 - 2012-07-26 02:08:09 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
First time? Don't make me laugh.
Well, since you haven't been around for long enough to see any crying-miner threads, I can only assume that you've been here for all of 5 minutes and haven't even scanned the front page.

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The crying miner is a bigger myth than Bigfoot, and you know it.
How can I know something that is false?
The crying miner is a staple of EVE since long before I got here, and it will be a staple long after I'm gone. It's just what they do. They're getting a nice buff and guess what they immediately started doing? Crying. About how they could no longer AFK in their Hulks. About how they could no longer carry enough crystals to suck up an entire region. About how they could still be ganked. None of which was new, and none of which was even remotely relevant if they thought about it for a second. Oh, but then, that's the other thing they do besides crying: don't think. I suppose they mine too, but looking at the crying-miner threads, it seems to be in, at best, a distant fourth or fifth place (behind not actually playing and, commonly, not knowing basic mechanics).
Suqq Madiq
#56 - 2012-07-26 02:32:38 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
First time? Don't make me laugh.
Well, since you haven't been around for long enough to see any crying-miner threads, I can only assume that you've been here for all of 5 minutes and haven't even scanned the front page


Funny, just browsing the first 3 pages of threads and I can't seem to find any of these Miner tears threads. They seem to have been replaced by a massive wall of ganker tear threads. It's one thing to be wrong, but it's something entirely different to blatantly lie. Still not sure where you fall.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#57 - 2012-07-26 03:55:32 UTC
nat longshot wrote:
MotherMoon wrote:
as long as low sec is changed to put out 3 times more yeild and materials that can't be found in highsec easily, it'll work out.


low sec yes might have better ore but low has what 1/10 the people that mine vs high sec..

like i said let the crying start and i see it has.


um... I was it more as a suggestion. as in mining in low sec isn't 3 times more profitable. If it was it would give an edge to people over bots

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Annie Freemont
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-07-26 04:02:13 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Nah. Silly miners will still go for max-yield hulks and will still not tank them. They will then still come to the forums and complain about how they miraculously manage to get killed by Destroyers and demand that something be done about this huge injustice.

Lol




I never ever see "miners" complain here.

All I see are people like you, complaining "about" miners.

Funny how that works.



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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#59 - 2012-07-26 04:20:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Suqq Madiq wrote:
Funny, just browsing the first 3 pages of threads and I can't seem to find any of these Miner tears threads.
You didn't look very hard.

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It's one thing to be wrong, but it's something entirely different to blatantly lie.
Indeed it is. Tor chose the latter.
pussnheels
Viziam
#60 - 2012-07-26 04:30:59 UTC  |  Edited by: pussnheels
nothing been done to the max yiekd and that is good news
they not gank proof and it will take team effort now to gank the mack or skiff, there wtill will be plenty of people going for untanked hulks tho

besides the ones crying the hardest are the one who are too scared to engage in real pvp , something that can actually shoot back

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