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Gouzu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#1 - 2012-07-25 10:29:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Gouzu Kho
http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/514_Chronicle

anyone have an idea what 514 could stand for, or who is attacking at the end ?

speculation time Big smile
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#2 - 2012-07-25 13:16:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
A centered triangular number, a galaxy, and Remote Shell port number, are the only references I can find, though, the last is certainly interesting and raises some serious questions about who might be controlling whom. I would tend towards a scripture of some sort..

Also, knowing how Latin is tossed around, we could substitute DXIV for 514, interestingly IV is associated with Jupiter..

One more, 5 is a Pell Number, with 14 it's companion, together they make a Lucas Sequence. Which in turn points to a Fibonacci Sequence, or an exponential growth pattern... Of something... Note the example of rabbits multiplying.. Then the math goes WAY over my head...


And Sansha's Nation. That one seems pretty elementary to me..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Borascus
#3 - 2012-07-25 14:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Jamyl's reference to previous research and the quote: "Those implants carry the fragmented consciousness of the Sleepers within them," said Sarum. "In some of them, the Sleeper presence is so strong that it can overwhelm the implant's host" is more revealing than anything else.

Quasi-canon though it may be, due to it being unobtainable information from an in-game perspective, its tying up a storyline that beings entered a virtual simulation, opted for an amalgous environment collecting all elements of each contributor to obtain its final structure and that a malevolence was contained therein.

Sansha's use of "all beings function as one" is exactly the same way. Nation's research into the behaviours of capsuleers based on their deployed structures (at a time where the 4 Empires were chronicled as conducting military research by observing all pilot data simultaneously ) shows the same trend. Use of analytics as a stabilizer.

Good chron, Inferno led me on a wild goose chase comparing "the broker''s search and the abbrev. IN-06, but 514 pointed towards development and an agenda. Rare in these times :P
Tykari
The Observatory
#4 - 2012-07-25 16:34:23 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
I would tend towards a scripture of some sort.


I've been looking into the meaning of 514 as well, found the same things you have. As for scripture, there is one biblical line people have been tossing up.

Ephesians 5:14 Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.

In this dark void we are like brilliant stars, holding within us both the creative and destructive power to bring a new dawn upon worlds or plunge them into eternal darkness.
Gouzu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#5 - 2012-07-25 16:56:41 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
... And Sansha's Nation. That one seems pretty elementary to me..


Can you give your reasoning for this conclusion ?

I have to admit I had not thought about that option at first, but I'm not sure I see any particular signs of this being sansha.

My conclusion at the moment is the sleepers themselves. My other candidates have rather good reasons to either not attack or go about it some other way.

- the other would not attack as Jamyl is present.
- Concord would have known about the meeting because there is DED security, so an other means of attack would have been easier and less messy. They are also in favor of spreading dust tech if it cant be contained, so they dont even have a reason to attack.
- Jovians: orbital bombardments and sending in ground forces openly like that ? not their MO at all.
- pirate factions/mordu/sansha: I cant think of a reason, even if they knew about the meeting and the tech being discussed. They would rather be trying to steal stuff. They would also not have soldiers without faces.

The only reason I can think of right now to attack this meeting is to attack the 4 heads of state themselves. And the only thing they have in common atm is abusing sleeper tech to create soldiers. Unless they where only after Sarum and the other, but that might have been a bonus.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#6 - 2012-07-25 17:12:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
I am not sure I can offer a reasonable explanation without breaking my Dust 514 NDA..Ugh Someone please delete if I do..

Think Code D.. No orbital bombardment, just an EM pulse to shut down orbital defenses for a bit.. It was not an all out attack, it was a tactical insertion.. The goal of which I can only speculate upon.. The only factions I can find to have a reason for such a maneuver are Sansha, and yes, the Sleepers themselves.. The Sleepers have a history of using leaders to manipulate the societies, through the Enhuadanni. Seems like a poor way to execute what you want to remain a purely covert endeavor.. Unless they are truly desperate.

The chron states, "The figure stood there for a brief while. Small clicking noises could be heard inside its helmet. Then it leveled its weapon at him."

These figures dropped in on the party.. Dust technology... Oops

Dusties are human.. While the Sleepers might communicate this way, it reeks more of Sansha to me..

The only other viable, to my mind, would be Rogue Drones emulating human forms... Or aliens.. Lol

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Gouzu Kho
Kho Incorporated
The Lone Space Wolves
#7 - 2012-07-25 17:26:49 UTC
The lines about the pillars of lights and the sharp sounds that shake the earth as they go seem to indicate orbital bombardments to me, but I could be wrong.

And no need to breach any NDA ofcourse, its just fun to speculate a bit Big smile
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#8 - 2012-07-25 19:19:32 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:

Also, knowing how Latin is tossed around, we could substitute DXIV for 514, interestingly IV is associated with Jupiter..


Deus Ex Iove? P

Amarrad - Amarr language project
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#9 - 2012-07-25 20:11:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
As for the scripture, can't seem to find anything telling in the Bible, I would tend more toward Apocrypha or alternative religions.. Maybe the Book of Enoch or something Sumerian or Accadian.. Reference to Christ, or Messiah, is non existant in EVE.. Notwithstanding Nation, which is the closest thing to Christianity in EVE..

Or maybe the four nationalist leaders themselves, who represent the aspirations and course of their respective Nations... Though, they rather fit the description of AntiChrist..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Horatius Caul
Kitzless
#10 - 2012-07-25 23:24:45 UTC
Roga Dracor wrote:
As for the scripture, can't seem to find anything telling in the Bible, I would tend more toward Apocrypha or alternative religions.. Maybe the Book of Enoch or something Sumerian or Accadian.. Reference to Christ, or Messiah, is non existant in EVE.. Notwithstanding Nation, which is the closest thing to Christianity in EVE..

Or maybe the four nationalist leaders themselves, who represent the aspirations and course of their respective Nations... Though, they rather fit the description of AntiChrist..

Well, there is the one from the Amarr Scriptures (really, just because Kuvakei calls himself a messiah doesn't mean the Nation is anything like Christianity)

Quote:
"Which test reveals more of the soul, the test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven? If you know this answer, then you also know which of these challenges bear the greatest penalty for failure. The gates of paradise will open for you one time only; woe to the soul who dares to knock twice." - The Scriptures, Book of Missions 5:14

Amarrad - Amarr language project
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#11 - 2012-07-26 00:12:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Yes, but, the Amarrians have no "third party" requisite for redemption.. It is wholely a matter of an Amarrians servitude to God. I have been reading the Mesopotamian religious texts associated with Sumer and Babylonian ideas of personal god relationship. Specifically those of the Enheduanna.. And it's unique station as one of the culture's that connects pre-history with recorded history.

And also a seeming shift in the gender specifity of the culture. When a Matrician society shifted toward Patrician.. Or at least retreated from a pluralistic society to one more gender centric.

I would argue that the Amarrian religion has absolutely NO Judeo-Christian or even Muslim ties, whatsoever.. My strongest argument being the fact that a female sits on the Amarrian throne...

And Nation is very in-line with Christianity. The idea that one must accept one's imperfections and baser nature as unconquerable and declare Christ and his Rule as your only means to Salvation?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Teinyhr
Ourumur
#12 - 2012-07-26 13:22:14 UTC
Gouzu Kho wrote:
Roga Dracor wrote:
... And Sansha's Nation. That one seems pretty elementary to me..


Can you give your reasoning for this conclusion ?


Mine would be Occam's Razor.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#13 - 2012-07-26 16:28:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Istvaan Shogaatsu
Sansha, because they use lasers. Pillar of light means lasers, and clicking sounds in helmet = True Slave. I'd say.

If it were Rogue Drones, they wouldn't have attacked using humanoid forms.

edit: Oh, and a decapitation attack aimed at the four empires SCREAMS Sansha. After all, the four empires banded together to decapitate Sansha's Nation, something he only avoided through the use of delicious, well-hidden backup clones. Turnabout is fair play and all.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#14 - 2012-07-27 11:49:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
You guys should watch the Dust trailers.. Pillars of light and the following thuds are something hitting the ground, alright.. But, they are not munitions.. Lasers or otherwise. They are running when they hit the ground.. Blink

The miniturization that Sleeper tech allows has created a whole new generation of personal protection and mobility for the ground troopers in New Eden. Ships are not the only thing to benifit from the advances due to Sleeper tech reverse engineering.

This was an ultra secret meeting of the four leaders, Camp David style.. They likely did not have a huge fleet in orbit, that would have drawn too much attention. Therefore, no great force was deployed on this strike, it wasn't needed.. Just a small, fast, high tech assault group, whose intentions were, likely, as Istvaan says, to decapitate the leadership of the Empires.

Drop into system, deploy an EM pulse to shut everything down planetside and then drop your Dust Troopers right onto the beach where your targets are. I'd say that the Amarr and Concord forces did pretty well to get the leaders out, considering what they faced. The biggest revelations of this piece seems to be the fact that Sleepers can highjack Dust clones and Sansha has Dust Trooper tech..

Well, alot more can be inferred, but, I'll refrain..Evil

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
YuuKnow
The Scope
#15 - 2012-07-30 06:29:14 UTC
Someone give this chronical some artwork please!

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Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#16 - 2012-08-01 23:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Borascus wrote:
Quasi-canon though it may be, due to it being unobtainable information from an in-game perspective, its tying up a storyline that beings entered a virtual simulation, opted for an amalgous environment collecting all elements of each contributor to obtain its final structure and that a malevolence was contained therein.

Sansha's use of "all beings function as one" is exactly the same way. Nation's research into the behaviours of capsuleers based on their deployed structures (at a time where the 4 Empires were chronicled as conducting military research by observing all pilot data simultaneously ) shows the same trend. Use of analytics as a stabilizer.


Learning from the Ancients - Manipulating the masses - Prescience Specifically tachyon theory [1] Think about the Hyperbole Nexus as you ruminate upon this.. And the consistant themes that keep cropping up..

Grious states that Enhuadanni is the closest proximity to an answer as he can articulate in Theodicy... Anoikis is another example of this trend.. Can we apply the same logic and deduce a meaning to YanJung? Perhaps an amalgam of languages, including Chinese, has become the Lingua Franca of New Eden.. And so to the Jove, this was as close as he could get to a translation.. And so we get the State of Jungian Philosophy or Scientific Religion.. or a close proximity.. Unified Catholic Church, maybe? Conformist, perhaps..?

I could get some pretty good guesses on others, too.. Takhmal for example.. Evil Scriptures... Others have given very good interpretations for Talocan, which I generally concur with, so I'll refrain..

But, it does raise a question, I do not recall the specifics of the original Nation story line. Did they "uplift" anyone back then, or is that a more recent development?

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Arkturus McFadden
Anukar
#17 - 2012-08-02 02:40:09 UTC
NDA won't let me comment.
Sitreba Oonchevkii
#18 - 2012-08-05 11:47:18 UTC
great chronicle, favorite by far. here's my question. Jamyl says "(the sleepers) may be even older then New Eden itself." What exactly is she implying? they were here before the terran? They are native to the cluster somehow? is it a metaphor? Ugh

Blod-red skies, strange beings, and the number 514, often written in blood.
Roga Dracor
Gladiators of Rage
Fraternity.
#19 - 2012-08-05 16:23:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Roga Dracor
Your quote isn't completely accurate, but, my take on it was that "some" believed the Sleepers to be older than the human implanted civilization that is New Eden, not the cluster it is housed in.

Alternately, it could mean there is a belief by some in the scientific community, even reflected in portions of Arek Ja'alen, that New Eden is a construct. The original text and trailers referred to New Eden as a pocket universe.

And, finally, there is Time Dilation, if the Architects have been flitting around the Universe for, say, three billion years at close to light speed...... That is the least likely logically.. Even so, wormhole space does seem to show evidence of experiments along these lines and it does explain a distinct advantage the Jove have held over planet bound societies..

It's no use going back to yesterday, because I was a different person then, and it's a poor sort of memory that only works backward.
Borascus
#20 - 2012-08-05 17:58:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Borascus
Roga pretty much nails it, and even though Architects travelling round for billions of years does seem to refute the http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Timeline in relation to the dates of events, it is still possible thanks to the wonder of manipulation - false recording and the Dark Ages of the timeline.

I tend towards the existence of "Sleepers" prior to the EVE Gate's opening, somewhat blindly, but observable in the timeline is that the Amarr are classed as Conformists (the same conformists that orignally settled Soekheviti, and were subsequently exiled), there are Tau Cetians buying Planets (from someone / a group), the remainder of the Unified Catholic Church (Amarrians/conformists were only a subdivision of this faith/doctrine) and Mega-Corporation/s.

At this point: the Conformists are the last to land on what is now Amarr, landing the same year the EVE Gate closes.
BUT: all the prior information is classed on the timeline as: Forgotten Age (AD 2730 - AD 8100)


At this point the timline reflects no notation: The Dark Ages (AD 8100 - AD 16262).

It is only at the end of this period of "Dark" that the "first record" of civilisations emerging are found, Caldari have the longest "recorded" history in this respect.

Surprisingly, historians in the COSMOS texts are able to refer to times containing the race Yan Jung, and a chronicle called Present Pieces lists the late Yan Jung Era as 15k years ago, which is during the dark ages.

As seen in the Chronicle Taught Thoughts a Gallentean Professor rebukes the Federation for altering the historical account he teaches. Due to the zeal of a young student preparing to support the war looming, he's killed.
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