EVE General Discussion

both valid answers; i guess there's just a part of me that finds some thing wrong with a 2 week old char in a ship worth pocket change being able to take down t2 ships in seconds, if all the ganking was being done in battle cruisers or such i doubt i'd find it as unacceptable.

infact, i think it's more the speed at which they do it, rather than what they're doing to who.

Thats what happens when you fail to fit a tank and then fit mods which reduce it.

This buff will encourage previous non-mining player to indulge in mining to fund their other activities, since it will be low-maintenance and easy.
This will require them to train mining alts. More revenue for CCP.

The actual benefit for the players is that, those who previously despised mining and will now partake in it, will surely be wary of suicide gankers and will actively defend themselves, which could lead to aggression rights escalation.
This could well therefore boost highsec pvp.

I love how everyone only focuses on afk mining/botting. People forget that part of this change is to add versatility to the ships.

Right now you see hulls mining ore. Macs mining ice. Retrievers are for people working their way up to hulk. All other mining vessels fail to be used. Mining frigates? No one really uses them for more than a day. Mining cruisers, good maybe for another day or as cheap t1 logi, but you never see a fleet of osprey mining. Heck, I've never seen a procurer used. I had to go look up what it was even called.

Yes, these changes may impact afk and bots. If ago miners upset you, go bump them. Bots, they neef to be dealt with but are not limited to mining and require a different approach than not touching mining vessels and letting gankers do the work.

Yes, this may give larger tanks to mining vessels. Deal with it. I saw no complaints about improving assault frigs or other frigs. Accept that ccp is updating ships and this includes mining vessels.

Yes, to hank people will have to work harder. Good, a little more risk vs reward, deal with.

However to just rant and rave about how these changes will lead to something you can't prove is foolish. Let the change happen as part of continuous improvement and provide feedback after the changes. Then maybe we will actually see a better game, than one tray stagnates because people fear changes to one ship class.

i quite like the mining mechanics as they are.

space is cold, so do the new ice harvester rigs count?

I don't know where's the problem. People afk mining at low yeld while doing some work are not any longer easy prey, that's not a problem for you if you just put the effort to gank them and if it's not worthy just move on and gank something else.

Bots? -it's CCP job to clean them up and decide who is or who isn't, not some frustrated kids because they can't gank mining barges with a single 3M destroyer....do what you should witch means report and play the game, with new aggression stuff you guys can play space GI's and gank as much as you want but maybe, I really mean maybe, those are a little bit harder to kill with 3M destroyers.

Seriously, what are you complaining about?

it's not risk free, we can still get suicide ganks. it just won't happen as much as the goons want it to unless you offer bigger rewards to make it worth people's time. we're getting more ehp not an undestroyable ship. we've only been made safer because gankers are going to be lazier.

let's face it goons stopped paying out bounties on exhumers people would stop bothering to gank them as much and prices would go down again even without the new mining barge changes.

You don't have to be undestroyable, you just have to be tough enough to last until the invincible NPC comes and pops your attacker.

Barges are getting over 5x their current level of EHP. To suicide one now would require an uninsurable tier3 BC (or multiples), which is vastly unprofitable economically. If you are in an NPC corp (or corp-hop after a wardec) you're utterly safe from being ganked unless you're fitting pricey modules.

So, yeah. Untouchable fleets of bots will blot out the belts. Guess I'll just have to take solace in the cheap ships I'll be able to buy once lowends crack the floor.

Edit: ^My primary objection to afk mining is that it runs counter to the risky universe theme of the game. Suicide ganking was an effective counter to this; at the least the miner would have to fit a decent tank if he wanted reasonable protection. Now a token tank will prevent all but the most determined suicide attack. The net result is a pastime lost for many, but the real loss will be to human miners who will spend hours to make a paltry sum that I can do in a single anomaly.

Like I said, enjoy your grinding existence.

The difference is cost. A fit tier3 will run about 65M, uninsurable, and you'll lose some/all of the fitting. (assuming lowend price collapse).

Right now, a tier3 can crack most exhumer tanks. Most. With the buffs, the same tank will likely result in multiple ships being required. Now you need two characters with good skills and 130M+ in ships to kill a single exhumer.

Barge Ganking won't go away, but it'll become akin to unicorn sightings.