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CCP - promoting AFK mining and botting with the new barges.
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Charles Baker
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#61 - 2012-07-25 13:48:29 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Charles Baker wrote:
Delicious goontears, awaits upcoming Drake nerf with glee.


pubbies, this is why we hit you


I ain't never seen you hit anything other than a keyboard bruv.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#62 - 2012-07-25 13:51:21 UTC
Danny Diamonds wrote:
It is crap to have an industrialist have to train in battleship skills. That is like telling a fighting pilot he has to train an industrial ship (Like a Hulk) if he wants to tank a fleet battle or Incursion.

Makes zero sense.

'Battleship skills' is Caldari Battleship III seeing as you already had the shield, mining and fitting skills to tank your Hulk
Danny Diamonds
Fabricated Reality
#63 - 2012-07-25 13:55:35 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
Danny Diamonds wrote:
It is crap to have an industrialist have to train in battleship skills. That is like telling a fighting pilot he has to train an industrial ship (Like a Hulk) if he wants to tank a fleet battle or Incursion.

Makes zero sense.

'Battleship skills' is Caldari Battleship III seeing as you already had the shield, mining and fitting skills to tank your Hulk


Yes, and combat pilots can also train Exhumers III in order to better handle fleet battles in their Hulk since they already had their shield and gun skills.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2012-07-25 14:00:27 UTC
Ahahahahahaha you sure got me with your rock solid arguments, you

OR SHOULD I SAY ROKH SOLID
Hiyora Akachi
Blood Alcohol Content
T O P S H E L F
#65 - 2012-07-25 14:10:00 UTC
The way I figure it, the buffs to barges won't effect them much (except ore holds), the best yield fits will still let them pop like a pinata.



Plus, there'll be enough ganker tears if they're made un-gankable that CCP will probably nerf it...
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#66 - 2012-07-25 14:21:53 UTC
Having gone on a couple high-sec mining ops lately in regular belts, the AFK aspect isn't really there. The roids are so picked over that you have to pick a new roid every cycle or two.

Now, for things like grav sites, mining missions, and day-trip WH runs, this might be interesting.

This message brought to you by Experience(tm). When common sense fails you, experience will come to the rescue. Experience(tm) from the makers of CONCORD.

"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Dave Stark
#67 - 2012-07-25 14:30:11 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
no, the appropriate response as to nerf barges to paper thin so the tiniest cheap combat ship only would have to breath on them hard to for a kill. Roll


the appropriate response was to leave them alone because they're working as intended

"oh, you got blown up by a catalyst? welcome to EVE, fit a tank"

unless you're a hisec miner, of course, because they're the protected class



no, it needed addressing. catalysts destroying hulks in seconds was like a lone mael taking down a carrier in under a minute.

if lone maels were able to do that to a carrier i'm sure people would want that to be looked at.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#68 - 2012-07-25 14:32:42 UTC
The new barges now tank very well with max yeild setups. This is wrong.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#69 - 2012-07-25 14:33:30 UTC
Dave stark wrote:



no, it needed addressing. catalysts destroying hulks in seconds was like a lone mael taking down a carrier in under a minute.

if lone maels were able to do that to a carrier i'm sure people would want that to be looked at.


It most likely can kill it in minutes if the carrier fits no tank.
Dave Stark
#70 - 2012-07-25 14:39:39 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:



no, it needed addressing. catalysts destroying hulks in seconds was like a lone mael taking down a carrier in under a minute.

if lone maels were able to do that to a carrier i'm sure people would want that to be looked at.


It most likely can kill it in minutes if the carrier fits no tank.


if it took minutes to kill a hulk it'd be fine. it takes seconds, that's the issue. i have no issue with a ship of almost equal value destroying another ship of equal value in seconds, however the current time to kill of an exhumer by a destroyer is very far from what it should be.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#71 - 2012-07-25 14:43:27 UTC
i may not be able to easily suicide gank miners now, but I can certainly bump them a long long way off the belts. Enjoy, botters/afkers
Dave Stark
#72 - 2012-07-25 14:45:09 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
i may not be able to easily suicide gank miners now, but I can certainly bump them a long long way off the belts. Enjoy, botters/afkers


orbit feature is awesome.
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#73 - 2012-07-25 14:47:34 UTC
Dave stark wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:



no, it needed addressing. catalysts destroying hulks in seconds was like a lone mael taking down a carrier in under a minute.

if lone maels were able to do that to a carrier i'm sure people would want that to be looked at.


It most likely can kill it in minutes if the carrier fits no tank.


if it took minutes to kill a hulk it'd be fine. it takes seconds, that's the issue. i have no issue with a ship of almost equal value destroying another ship of equal value in seconds, however the current time to kill of an exhumer by a destroyer is very far from what it should be.


A combat ship being able to kill a mining ship in matter of seconds is not an issue. That makes sense. It's a mining ship, it has no real defenses. Additionally, I just checked with real life and a tank can kill a digger in a matter of seconds. Realism in my EVE? It's more likely than you think.
Dave Stark
#74 - 2012-07-25 14:57:29 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Dave stark wrote:



no, it needed addressing. catalysts destroying hulks in seconds was like a lone mael taking down a carrier in under a minute.

if lone maels were able to do that to a carrier i'm sure people would want that to be looked at.


It most likely can kill it in minutes if the carrier fits no tank.


if it took minutes to kill a hulk it'd be fine. it takes seconds, that's the issue. i have no issue with a ship of almost equal value destroying another ship of equal value in seconds, however the current time to kill of an exhumer by a destroyer is very far from what it should be.


A combat ship being able to kill a mining ship in matter of seconds is not an issue. That makes sense. It's a mining ship, it has no real defenses. Additionally, I just checked with real life and a tank can kill a digger in a matter of seconds. Realism in my EVE? It's more likely than you think.


except a destroyer isn't really comparable to a tank in this analogy. because the tank is radically more expensive and bigger than a digger. see the point? if a destroyer cost 300m and such i really wouldn't bother arguing the point.
Charlie Jacobson
#75 - 2012-07-25 15:01:33 UTC
"The Hulk is the largest craft in the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Hulk is, bar none, the most efficient mining vessel available."

I support James 315 and the New Order of Highsec
Schalac
Apocalypse Reign
#76 - 2012-07-25 15:03:02 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Ninja mining fleets!

Taking a Roq into deep 0.0 for some ninja will be great with bigger cargo hold ships in it's bay.

SCHALAC HAS SPOKEN!! http://eveboard.com/pilot/Schalac
Dave Stark
#77 - 2012-07-25 15:04:59 UTC
Charlie Jacobson wrote:
"The Hulk is the largest craft in the second generation of mining vessels created by the ORE Syndicate. Exhumers, like their mining barge cousins, are equipped with electronic subsystems specifically designed to accommodate Strip Mining modules. They are also far more resilient, better able to handle the dangers of deep space. The Hulk is, bar none, the most efficient mining vessel available."


until the 8th, that still holds true.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#78 - 2012-07-25 15:10:00 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


if it took minutes to kill a hulk it'd be fine. it takes seconds, that's the issue. i have no issue with a ship of almost equal value destroying another ship of equal value in seconds, however the current time to kill of an exhumer by a destroyer is very far from what it should be.


Hulks arnt capital ships. It takes just as long to kill an untanked heavy assault ship with a catalyst as a hulk.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#79 - 2012-07-25 15:12:51 UTC
Dave stark wrote:


except a destroyer isn't really comparable to a tank in this analogy. because the tank is radically more expensive and bigger than a digger. see the point? if a destroyer cost 300m and such i really wouldn't bother arguing the point.


WW2 torpedo boat vs a LNG tanker.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#80 - 2012-07-25 15:18:11 UTC
I sincerely wish there was some way to (legally) invest in a way that I will profit off the massive increase in highsec mining bots we're about to see.